Linda Elsegood: I'd like to welcome back Dr Harpal Banes from the Harpal clinic in London. Thank you for joining us today. Harpel.
Harpal Bains: Thank you. Is it lovely to come back again.
Linda Elsegood: So I know that you've been doing lots of amazing things and you're opening a new practice.
Harpal Bains: Yes, about three times the size of our current ones, so it's very exciting.
Linda Elsegood: Wow. So what would you be doing in this new practice?
Harpal Bains: Basically it's off the feedback that I've been getting from a lot of my patients. We get a lot of very chronically ill patients, including cancer patients and the rest of them.
And we find that a lot of them were coming asking or talking about things like hyperbaric oxygen chambers and infrared saunas for detox of a heavy metal detoxing and cryo chambers and the rest of it. And I started getting more and more interested. And then when you go to a lot of these conferences, especially within the functional medicine world, you see a lot of these all around, and the idea came to my head that what if I had a premises that were big enough to house all of these things? Because it's not really a case of one size fits all. You'll find someone saying that cryo is the best, don't even bother with the rest because that's the best.
And another person will say the same thing about the sonars. And so I don't think there's a one size fits all. However, I do believe all of them help in different ways, in some cases, and they actually help towards the same end in some cases. And so why not just have it all within the same place? The difference being is that here, I would have taken the trouble and done the homework so that I know the machines that I have are amongst the best.
Out there within what we can get in the UK and therefore they don't have to run around and try to figure out, is this inferior? Is it on the right one? Is it radiating EMS, rays? Is that cryo cold enough or is it one of those, you know, so the idea is basically if we have someplace that is trusted and that they can use all of them at the same time, that'll be great. And so in terms of how we intend to move forward with that is once I get all these things and us, we thought that maybe one good way of going about it is to do it on a subscription basis where you could actually use any one of these machines within the same subscription, for the month or that part.
We have yet to completely identify how to do it. But I think that's really the best way forward. So, someone who decides to come in, they will be able to try each one of the machines and I suspect there'll be one machine, that they will prefer more than another, or they might find that they work in different ways and to actually have a one-stop centre I don't think any exists in the UK at the moment, so it's quite exciting. But we need big enough premises for that. And we found one.
Linda Elsegood: Wow, that's, that is truly amazing. And we interviewed your brother a few weeks ago, and he's working alongside you now. What would you say are the main conditions that you're treating.
Harpal Bains: Within a setup that we want, initially as I would have mentioned before I started out with wellness medicine for someone who's fairly well, but feeling the signs of ageing and wants to maintain it for as long as they can.
That's how we started out. However, what we found was that we were getting people who want at home once, and we're starting to, and they were ill. And before I know it, all I'm seeing is chronic—diseases, autoimmune and the rest of it. And for me, that's of course, extremely interesting. And therefore it has been guided by my patients in a way, by what they feel they want.
The demand has been created by our patient population. So anything that's a chronic disease, it comes to the point where it doesn’t really make a difference what it is for me that they come in with, most likely that something we can do for them because most of it sort of have a similar basis and for us, because we see so many different types of cases, I can start to see patterns very easily as can my brother, which for the person and they go it, they can't. Or with someone who doesn't have that level of experience, it will be harder. So it's chronic diseases, higher type syndromes, autoimmune, anything within that area.
Linda Elsegood: and of course, it's rather like being Sherlock Holmes, isn't it? Is to try and find out what exactly is causing those symptoms rather than treating the symptoms. So if a patient comes to you with multiple complex conditions. What's the first thing you do.
Harpal Bains: So at our clinic, basically the approach we have is very hormone and nutrition based and antioxidant based.
So the way I would do it versus some other practitioners who have a slightly different angle, I think I mentioned this the last time I spoke, is that the biggest, biggest thing I find with homework is the speed at which I get results. In the same way, and one reason why I really love LDN is the endorphin rush.
The moment you start feeling better, you get an endorphin rush. The moment you get that endorphin, and the rest of these feel-good neurotransmitters and hormones within your body, you start to heal in ways which you could not really anticipate and a speed that you couldn't get doing it—using purely functional medicine.
This is my opinion. Of course, and when we put that together with things like nutritional interventions, once again, not outsourcing it, but at the same practitioner actually doing that, which means now this practitioner has to understand that side of things as well. Get rid of all the heavy metals, uh, the detox side of things.
We actually get quite a lot of results. And at that point, I find that it works for about 70 to 80% of my patients. And then I get the remaining, with the remaining. I'm a member of a BSCS, which is. British society of environmental medicine, that's sort of the next area start to look at. So that's when you start to look at things like mould, heavy metals, exhaust fumes and anything and everything, which could give rise to, basically, these environmental issues.
And they are quite frequently forgotten. Not many people think of them, but they're highly, highly relevant. However, the way I practice, I tend to leave that to the last, unless it's blindingly obvious that that's a problem. Someone who just moved to a new house and then finding they're facing all kinds of problems, it could be fumes from the carpets, let's say, or brand new furniture. Even the fire retardant material they use for furnishings that's an issue as well. Or in a really, or they move into a really old damp house and then the issue with mould and the rest of it, that's a huge area of study, which I would say maybe 20% there.
I've got a long way to go, but then, you know, if the issue is really that, and if I don't feel like I handle it there, there'll be other practitioners I can refer them on to.
Linda Elsegood: I interviewed Dr Tom O'Brien, who talks about all the effects of the toxins, not only that are in food, you know, in crops that are sprayed.
A piece of furniture, and as you said, that retardant material, but something he said, which struck me, that something that everybody can do very easily is when you're filling your car up with fuel, can you smell it? If you can smell it, move. Stand the other way so that the fumes don't blow in your face. And I thought I've never thought of that.
Harpal Bains: I've just thought, Oh, I smell this smell. They probably go closer.
I mean, that's a good thought.
Linda Elsegood: Diet is important. I mean, there are so many children that you can just see that if they can, you know that they're overweight and they if they carry on eating as they are doing, you know they're going to be a type two diabetic before they need school.
Harpal Bains: Yeah.
Linda Elsegood: But how do you educate people when they come to see you, to recommend healthier eating and maybe supplements, because obviously you did blood tests and things and if you find that they are low in certain vitamins or minerals, how do you go about trying to educate them to change the way in which they're living?
Harpal Bains: I give my patients a lot of homework. Most of them have to go home with homework. So it's one of those things, I think if they don't understand what they're doing, they can listen and do some things for maybe a month or two months, and then that's it.
They'll forget, and they won't do it. And then you lose the benefits of it. So until, and unless they understand why they're doing what they're doing, it's not really for compliance is really important here. So it’s a comprehensive consultation that works out to be two and a half hours in total of the doctor's time.
Initially, it's one and a half hours as a lot of teaching that goes on there as well. Some things are frankly, blindingly obvious to us, will immediately know what's going on in other people. It's a little bit hard because they're doing everything right and it's hard to tell where they’re going wrong, but on top of that, when they get their eventual report, that has dietary advice as well within the report, and we allow them time to read and digest it, and then they come back for their final half an hour with us. So it's, as I say, it's two and a half hours split into two sessions, really with the report sent to them in between so that they have time to read, absorb, come up with all the questions they want. We stayed then come back and see us. I really like doing it that way because, at the back of their heads, they are not having to keep paying up for every time they see us, which is not a nice thought, but it's all-encompassing. They come in once, and they know they're going to get this management further on moving forward.
Linda Elsegood: And I think engaging people into their own health, giving them responsibility, you can advise as much as you like, but if they don't take it on board, it's not going to work. Is it? So having them working with you, it's a partnership,
Harpal Bains: Yeah. Not only that, I mean, another thing that we have recently introduced and we had going to develop further is something like a health coach, not quite the health coach, but something like that. Someone who's actually going to pick up the phone and ask you after you've been with us for a month, how are things, because from experience, what I find is that if they come across problems, most of them just stop the medication, or they stop doing that certain thing and they forget.
And so by having someone there slightly nagging them, it's actually a really good thing. And at some point maybe in the next two or three years, I don't see it happening this year, is to come up with an app where with prompts and the rest of it. But I think that's another level up.
Linda Elsegood: We have an LDN app remember, that you can monitor patients and check and do graphs and charts and things. Perhaps you can have a look at that,
Harpal Bains: which is on my to-do list,
Linda Elsegood: which I'm sure is growing all the time.
Harpal Bains: Yes. Oh, yes. So, but that's only, that's in the pipeline via creating software for the whole clinic, as we speak. So there's the number of changes, a lot of changes. A lot of the new premises is actually devoted to office space because we needed it.
Linda Elsegood: Whereabouts, are you located?
Harpal Bains: The current clinic is in Margate, which is between Liverpool street and bank. And the new one is about two minutes walk from St Paul's Cathedral, its a stunning location, really nice. And the good thing about the new place is that we are building, uh, we have the disability access.
Linda Elsegood: Right Okay.
Harpal Bains: So we have disabled access and the rest of it, which we can't have in our current premises.
Linda Elsegood: Oh, I see. Okay. So both of them are accessible if people are coming into London by train.
Harpal Bains: Oh, yes. Very, very easily. Yeah. I mean, because St Paul's a tube station about a five-minute walk away. The cathedral's right there, you've got the river so you could make a whole day out of it. We have a lot of patients who come from either abroad or outside of the outside of London. I know you could make a whole day out of it. It's really beautiful. That area.
Linda Elsegood: I'll have to come and check it out. Come and see you.
I don't go to London very often but there we are. But it's a beautiful place. And especially if you're outside of England and you haven't been before this, there's a lot to see.
Harpal Bains: The architecture is stunning.
Linda Elsegood: Yeah.
Harpal Bains: It's really beautiful. Yeah. And so this is a pedestrian street as well, so there's, that's a lot of nice things about, it's one of those really, really nice streets.
Linda Elsegood: So we talked a little bit about diet and supplements. What about sleep? The people that have problems with sleep, I mean with all the iPads and smartphones and this kind of thing, if people are having difficulty sleeping, and especially children who are staying up later and later because they're being pinged by friends on all these different platforms that they use.
What is a recommended time to shut down before you go to bed, ready to go to sleep?
Harpal Bains: I think in an ideal world, sort of like five, six o'clock, but you'll have a lot of people doing beyond that. I would say if you could do it or two hours before you're in a particular place. Ideally more, but I mean, most people did not really get an idea to it.
And on top of that, simple things like having the night mode on it. Uh, right. It's called an M flux wait, turns the screen yellow, so you don't have the blue light, which is the one that affects sleep so that's one thing you can do. There are also these glasses that you can wear, which cuts out those lights as well.
So there are quite a few things you can do to mitigate it, or despite the fact that they are still going to do a bit, children are going to be quite hard to make sure they actually listen to you. So these would be the things that you can do because you just put it into the computer and automatically switches into night mode and things like that would help. But sleep is a huge, huge problem. It's becoming increasingly big. It was actually on my list of things to do to work alongside a dentist who would be able to deal with the jaw to create these little, what do you call it? These things, which pulls the jaw forward and therefore it doesn't have the weight on your neck. You don't have sleep apnea. Oh, so yeah, it's absolutely brilliant. Once again, you have to go to the US to get trained. And initially, I was hoping that my new premise was there'll be enough of a space for a dentist, but I don't think that's going to be, but it's, it's within a few years I was thinking perhaps, you know, To do sleep studies and the rest of it because once again, what's in NHS, it's not quite, I don't really agree with the way they assess it. Like for them, if you're snoring a little bit, you have a mile, and therefore it's okay, and I don't, I disagree with that. I think any sleep apnea it's waking you up because your body can breathe and there are things that you can do, but it's not a very big area yet. Not in this country.
Linda Elsegood: I have a problem with my jaw. When I go to the dentist, open my mouth wider, it keeps dislocating. So it is so painful, opening the jaw. When they say open wide, then they're trying to get at the back, and it goes clunk, click and I grind my teeth, but I was, I bought a gum shield that I put in, but because I couldn't shut my jaw completely, that I think the thing I had at the dentist was just as bad. So I tried desperately hard not to wear it because it hurt too much and try not to grind your teeth. I mean, how do you know when you're, when you're asleep?
Harpal Bains: I see patients like that all the time. Botox is one of the best things out there for it.
Linda Elsegood: Really, how does botox do that?
Harpal Bains: Absolutely brilliant. It relaxes the muscles. It relaxes the muscles that cause us grinding. I have patients coming in for like, in fact, wonderful that someone's face. I can usually tell if they're grinders, they have these huge hypertrophic muscles on the side of their face.
They have quite square faces because that muscle is taking out. In quite many. You find that after a series of Botox injections the shape of the face changes, it becomes more rounded, the grinding at night stops. Your headache stops. So many problems go away, and this is grinding down the enamel, which will cost you tons and tons of money further down the line.
Such an easy solution, such an easy solution. Basically, Botox, what a lot of people don't understand about Botox is a, I've got a blog on my website actually, on how to do Botox so that it's very effective. What you're basically trying to do is making the body lose its muscle memory. So I don't want my muscle to remember how to grind, so it lasts about three months, so I'm going to inject some into my jaw before all the action comes back before it comes out completely I want to go in and inject it again because after not doing it for, in my experience, 12 to 18 months of regularly doing the Botox. That's it. You don't remember to grind anymore just because you've forgotten how to do it, so if you want to grind, you can, but you just don't do it anymore. It's amazing. No headaches now, and you're going to save a lot of money long term because you don't, you won't have all the dental issues moving forward.
Teeth grinding. That's an easy one. Yeah, very easy.
Linda Elsegood: I've never heard of that before. Do you inject similarly to a dentist if he was giving you a local anaesthetic, is that how it works?
Harpal Bains: Oh, no, no. Much easier. Much easier. Just on the outside. Basically. The way I do it is I, Oh yeah. You don't have to go in at all.
Yeah. So on the outside, I will get the patient to clench and then I will draw it out because everyone's got different musculature. It's fascinating when you start having to draw, and then I will inject the Botox basically on your jaw. You're already on the outside, right below your ear around that area.
So, but I will draw it out, and I will actually inject it in the right areas. And um, yeah, if you go somewhat conservative, you get really good results, we'll still be able to eat and rest of it. It's brilliant. You, I'm not many dentists seem to know about it, but I get people coming back to me again and again and again for the same thing.
No headaches, no more grinding, nothing. They come to me for that. And the small number of people come because they want a slimmer face. And then that's fairly cultural but no, it's brilliant. Definitely consider it. I think your whole jaw is dislocating as well, it's probably due to you've got some muscles which are possibly stronger than other muscles. That's another thing you could consider.
Linda Elsegood: All right. As soon as we're finished, I'm going to go and look in the mirror and see what shape my face is.
Harpal Bains: basically put your hands underneath your ear and clench your jaw. You could probably feel the muscle clenching. Yeah, just it. And then have both hands on each side of your face just next to your ears, and you'll feel the muscles.
Yeah, and that's the one that we inject into. It's easy. Go. Go on YouTube, look, look for videos on it. It's easy. I love doing it. It's such an easy procedure, and you get great results.
Linda Elsegood: Well, I mean, I've seen some people have Botox and it looks really fake and really horrible and ends up with funny lips and things.
It doesn't have any. Adverse effects do, it doesn't change you in any way,
Harpal Bains: This is the bit that’s really, really sad because once again, that's media. That's a media presenting Botox in such a terrible way. Do you know that? Uh, and this one that the documented evidence was out there, uh, for someone who does their frown lines, they actually become more pleasant, to be around because they cannot frown, therefore, the signals to the brain that tells them to frown and be angry. It is, does this look to them? I have because we do aesthetics as well, and I've got mothers coming to me saying that I know it’s wrong because my kids think I look angry on it. And it's pretty funny.
But if you think about how it came up, it was discovered by ophthalmologists because they used to treat ticking of the eyes and these patients that came back you know, telling the doctor that this is great. I don't have wrinkles on that side that you've been injecting, but how about the other side?
And that's how it was discovered. So it's used for things like anal fissures, a lot of urinary problems. It's useful—so many different things. But people just think of it. Migraines. Migraines is a big one. People think of it as this beauty thing, which, you know, everyone looks fake, but done properly it’s beautiful. And lots and lots of benefits, especially headaches, is a big one. And I am not looking angry. I'm telling you, that goes every aspect of your life.
Linda Elsegood: And I suppose you would need an experienced doctor to do the procedures.
Harpal Bains: In an ideal world, I mean, there are a lot of very good nurses out there as well, while very experienced, definitely do not go to any beauty therapist who claims that they do it.
Not at all. Then quite a few dentists have started doing it as well and it's one of those things. It really is. You know, down to the practitioner, but a good practitioner will do a really nice job and you quite frequently, you can't even tell someone has had it done, and that look is getting more and more popular. Really. People don't like that overdone, that's fake. Yeah. Not many people like that, but that's what's portrayed in the media. There'll be so many people who would have had it, and you wouldn't even know. And once again, that's endorphins. That's like LDN. You like what you see in the mirror. You're going to be a happy person. That's endorphins.
Linda Elsegood: Well, we have five minutes left, so if you could tell us what your views are on LDN.
Harpal Bains: It's one of the most mind-blowing things I've come across. It's like I'm trying to get everyone on it. It's wonderful. My own immunity has gone up tremendously.
It's like the amount of stress I've had at the moment is severe with two renovation projects going for the past few months. New staff, lots of rents to pay. No, I haven't fallen sick. Really so something else. And all my patients tell me the same thing. And the biggest, biggest part is the small things disappear.
And this is where I, this is why LDN will never be that well studied because everyone will come back and tell me something different that's now gone away that they've completely forgotten about. But I've reminded them because it's in my notes. It's all about the small things, and therefore that really adds quality to life. It’s wonderful.
Linda Elsegood: And if you can hold a progressive disease, you know, even if it doesn't help with the symptom relief, which it seems to do for many people, but even if it just halted progression, how amazing is that you know?
Harpal Bains: And the pain. Mm.
Linda Elsegood: Yeah. So if people come to you, they can expect to be told about LDN and diets and supplements and if they grind their teeth,
Harpal Bains: I do recommend, yeah, I do recommend Botox cause I'm telling you, it's so good for that problem. It's amazing. They keep coming back again and again and yet I'm telling them 12 to 18 months, the moment your body forgets that action. You're good. After that, you probably need just a top-up once or twice a year after that, and that's about it. It's well worth the money, I would say because if you think of it as saving against future dental work, that's not worth it.
Linda Elsegood: No, that's right. But this gum tooth guard or whatever they called, it was really, really expensive. It wasn't cheap, and I couldn't use it. So it sits in a drawer.
Harpal Bains: Okay. Well, there you go, you’ll have to research it. You'll love it.
Linda Elsegood: Well, thank you very much for having been on the show today, talking to us about just about everything.
Harpal Bains: Thank you for inviting me.
Linda Elsegood: Well, we hope that people come along and see you and your website. Where would they find your details?
Harpal Bains: It's https://www.harpalclinic.co.uk/
Linda Elsegood: wonderful. And a question we're always asked is, do you have a waiting list?
Harpal Bains: I personally do. My brothers is shorter.
I'm hoping to bring that number down, and we are also hoping to maybe get another doctor in as well at some point.
Linda Elsegood: Wonderful. Well, we wish you every success with your, your new premises and your renovations on your existing one. So if anybody is in a wheelchair, they need to go to St Paul’s clinic?
Harpal Bains: Yeah, most likely we will have that as the main centre because that's where all the buzz will be.
Linda Elsegood: Okay. Yeah. Well, thank you very much.
Harpal Bains: Thank you.
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