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Linda Elsegood: I'd like to introduce Anne from England who takes LDN for ME. Thanks for joining me, Anne.
Ann: It's a pleasure.
Linda Elsegood: Could you tell me when you first started to notice your ME symptoms, how long ago was - as a child?
Ann: Actually age three or four, 1978.
Linda Elsegood: Goodness me, did they recognize it back then?
Ann: No, they didn't. It's hereditary in my case. My grandpa grandfather had it. My Scottish grandfather got it in later life, and he was ill more or less until he ended up his days. He could barely get up. He was in bed until 11 in the morning then came down, had his porridge, went back upstairs, slept, then back down for lunch dressed. Then he sat in the chair for a couple of hours, then back up for sleep, and when he came down for his evening meal. Sitting in the chair then, so 11 to 12, that was his life. And what did they call it? Back then, they didn't know. They thought it was a psychological cause he couldn't speak to people very much. His brain was very bad and you couldn't really speak to him. He didn't join them, the relatives when they came up. He was just a recluse. And my mom had had it as well, but it was triggered in her when she had her children - myself and my brother - and then she could never get up in the morning. She was always limited in energy, but she carried on and nursed me, and tended my brother with pneumonia. And it's amazing that you could do that. But she was just tired and had no energy. Of course, there was nothing done. Nothing.
Linda Elsegood: And did your mother or your grandfather have other symptoms that people often have with ME?
Ann: Well, I think I mentioned my grandfather’s brain was very bad, and he just couldn't socialize, so that was bad enough. And the exhaustion meant that he slept most of the day, which I've just related to you. I think my grandmother did all the accounts and things like that. I'm sure she did that. He could read. He read his newspaper. And noise. We couldn't make a noise, and we went up to live with my grandparents when I was very young. He didn't seem to have a sensitivity to light, because he could read his paper.
My mother did everything fairly normal, but she could never go to my classes and learn things. That's why she didn't go. So she actually was very wise and knew she had no energy, and she adapted to that condition. But you know, she always sat down in the afternoon, and she felt tired the whole time. And when she was 61 she died of cancer.
Linda Elsegood: And you said you had it from about the age of three. What was the pattern of your life?
Ann: You know how it is with ME, your immune system doesn't fight, and when I had tonsillitis, and they came out, which was the worst thing. I've never felt really well and doing exercise at school, swimming and hockey was really hell. But all the same, I did play games. I played with my brother. And every winter I had a couple of doses of bronchitis, which I have now every year. Until LDN, but I'll explain that later.
So I didn't have a diagnosis at all until I was 59, and struggled because I couldn't get up, couldn’t give up work and I was working all the time. But I had to give up my full-time teaching job in 1976 because I became so ill with - we don't know what it was, but I gave up teaching in Wellingarden city. I moved to Brighton without a penny, actually out of a hundred pounds, something like that. Medical people who could support me didn't because they didn't believe there's anything wrong with me. But that's how it is for many people over my age and younger - the doctors say we should do this and do that, but it was unsympathetic doctoring, usual story.
Then what happened was I retired, early retirement, I was so lucky. Somebody told me about ME just by checking out of a shop, and in the next lane, a very nice man told me about it. So that was when I got my diagnosis from a doctor locally. I had to pay to get the diagnosis. So then that was the first time I had a diagnosis, and it was such a relief. No, it wasn't MS or the other things that it's labelled. I was terribly, terribly lucky because it wasn't my usual GP I saw. It was somebody who was substituting for him at that particular time? And I got the tip-off to go to him to get my physical examination, which I had to have to retire early. So I went there, and of course, he knew about ME because he asked me if I have vivid dreams, vivid colour dreams. Well, I do because it shows the brain's not working so.
It has a reaction, you know, you don't suddenly stop teaching, So I was ill for a year and that sort of thing in bed when I wasn't working. Before that, I was teaching, part-time. I had a job for 2 days a week of teaching art. I suddenly couldn't do it. I had to tell lies to the unemployment people and say that there weren't the jobs, instead of telling the truth and say I was ill. So I did that for a long time. And since I've been retired many years, plus, I still had symptoms. I'm talking about the past now, not since taking LDN.
Linda Elsegood: Could you tell us how you heard about LDN?
Ann: Yes, it was a friend, friend of mine who had this little girl who was not well for years. I remember seeing her child who was then grown up. She was a university student and was trying LDN at the time. So I got the details from her. And information of where she went to get it. So that's how I came to hear about it. And I followed the trail.
Linda Elsegood: And how long ago was that? When, when did you start LDN?
Ann: Oh, about a year and a bit now.
Linda Elsegood: So you got your LDN and what was your journey then?
Ann: The journey took a very great while. I saw this doctor at Burswood Christian Hospital. It is way away from here, and I went with this doctor who was taking LDN and my mother, to see this doctor who is very, very sharp. He gave me instructions on how to do it gradually. So then I went away and started doing it very slowly, and I didn't see anything happening in the beginning, but then suddenly I realized I've been taking it all last winter and I never had an attack of bronchitis where I had to go to bed. I had the chest symptoms, but they didn't materialize into such severity that I had to stay in bed. So that was the first thing that I noticed about this. I could plan a little more than I was used to doing.
My brain symptoms were always severe, and foggy brain is used as a method of description of our brain symptoms. Going back to childhood, I had brain symptoms then. I couldn't concentrate on mathematics. I just couldn't remember the facts at school. But nonetheless, I used to get a prize there for art and music, which must've been that that side of the brain could actually function more than the factual side of the brain.
And I noticed that I could hardly get myself out of bed in the mornings, usually, I have to go have breakfast and go back to bed, and now I can wake at 8 o'clock in the morning and then get up and go out after that and do something in the morning.
I've always had a car and been able to drive the days as I'm not too ill. So on those days I go out and see gardens, national trust, you name it. It's a lovely sort of thing to do. And I have my evenings as well. As well, before I got the diagnosis and took LDN, I could only walk as far as the length of the house, but then with taking LDN, I could go farther and walk around the garden and just have no reaction afterwards. So I've noticed those things. The main thing is more energy. For example, for 13 years I’ve been in this flat. I didn't have the energy to redecorate it. I had it done. I did all the packing up of the ordinance and things like that, and I was able to go with the painter to get the paint.
All those things I could never have done before. Yes, absolutely. I was at the stage wherein the evening after using my brain during the day for the normal routine things, sort of cooking and running your own life with all the paperwork you have to do and the signing of everything, it's a lot easier. It's just easier to do, without having this sort of reaction afterwards. So I could do that. I haven't been on holiday yet. I used to go sometimes to Scotland. I might be able to again.
Linda Elsegood: It sounds as though you are definitely getting your life back on track and after all this time.
Ann: Well yes, absolutely. And there's a spiritual side to this, which I won't go into because this is not the nature of this interview, really. The interview is for facts and the result that LDN has had on my life.
I still find the computer to be very difficult to look at the screen for an amount of time. You know, we can't concentrate and what's in front of us. I still find that odd, but at least I can send an email on those good days. I can do that.
Linda Elsegood: That's good. And hopefully, over time, things will continue improving for you.
Ann: I think I improved for about 18 months on LDN and got stronger as time went on.
And one thing I was going to say - everything was going on right, I was ordering the LDN from Glasgow. The doctor wrote me a six-month prescription, and I sent it to Glasgow, and they were sending me LDN. Then came the time when I was running out, and I rang for appointments at Burswood. They thought the doctor wouldn't give me a prescription without seeing me, and I ran out. Without it, I was so ill, as the symptoms all came back because I'd stopped something that I've been having for nearly a year, So I won't let that happen again. This shows a lack of judgment that we have. I could have phoned them and say, look, I must have a prescription, but I didn't think of doing that. Anyway, I've got it now, and it's taken me a couple of months to get back to where I was before. I also drive myself, because the last time I went with friends of my friends and I was absolutely exhausted mentally. So I go on my own now.
Linda Elsegood: Thank you very much for sharing your experience with ME, Ann. I really do appreciate it.
Ann: It's a pleasure. I hope it's been of some help.
Linda Elsegood: Any questions or comments you may have, please Contact Us on our website at https://ldnresearchtrust.org/contact_us. I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you for joining us today. We really appreciated your company. Until next time, stay safe and keep well.