LDN Video Interviews and Presentations

Margaret - US: Cushing's, Hashimoto's, PCOS, Arthritis, Depression (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Linda Elsegood: I'd like to introduce Margaret from the United States who takes LDN. Thank you for joining me, Margaret.

Margaret: Hi,

Linda Elsegood: thank you. Could you tell us when you first started to get sick, how old were you?

Margaret: Well, after the birth of my first child when I was 20, um, I started to have a lot of hormonal problems and symptoms.

And after several years and several doctors, um, my first diagnosis was with the polycystic ovarian syndrome. And, um, I suffered through, uh, many years of trying to find someone to treat me in a way that didn't have a lot of side effects. And I eventually went on Metformin, and that was very helpful. And I kind of had a period of good health for several years, and then when I was about 35 I started to have a lot of new symptoms that were similar but different and more intense.

And after probably four years of that, I finally was diagnosed with having Cushing's disease and having an ACTH secreting pituitary tumour. And I had pituitary surgery, two years ago, in May of 2013. And they found the tumour, they got it out, and I went into remission. And the recovery from that is quite brutal.

You have to slowly wean off of steroids. You have to take them as replacement because your pituitary doesn't work right for a while. And the withdrawal from steroids has been like into heroin withdrawal. So it's very intense. It's very painful. You have a lot of joint pain, muscle pain, um, a lot of psychological symptoms, depression, um, anxiety because not having enough cortisol is almost as anxious.

It is provoking as not as having too much. And so it's, you know, a good year of weaning. And then what happens is because you had high cortisol for so long, a lot of autoimmune things pop up that were being suppressed by the cortisol. And that's kind of where I'm at at this point, where now I have really high Hashimoto's titers and.

You know, I'd have to replace a lot of hormones and I'm still in the recovery process from Cushing's. But, you know, in the meantime, ten other autoimmune things get you.

Linda Elsegood: So, before you, um, started on LDN, could you describe what a typical day for you felt like?

Margaret: Well, I started on LDN when I was about sixteen months postop from pituitary surgery. So I would say that I had very little quality of life. I was still in the place where I was in a lot of pain. I didn't work full time. I was only working part-time and only from home at that point. I could barely do the grocery store by myself and come back home. I still have people taking my kids to school for me and all. It was basically helping me just to survive.

So I would say probably on a scale of one to 10, it was about a three.

Linda Elsegood: Oh, wow. That's not good. Not a good life.

Margaret: I mean, it was better than when I had Cushing's where my life was a zero. Yeah. Before they took the tumour out, I was home-bound and could not work. Didn't think straight. Had severe panic disorder. And anxiety all the time. And how did slept in probably two years by the time I had surgery. Yeah. So it's a really intense disease.

Linda Elsegood: It certainly sounds like it. So how did you hear about LDN?

Margaret: My endocrinologist, who, he is a Cushing specialist. That's what he specializes in. He actually recommends it to a lot of his postop patients because most of us have these underlying autoimmune problems and he gives it out quite frequently, especially if you kind of linger in your recovery.

I mean, some people just snap right back. That wasn't me. Maybe cause I was older, not sure, but he recommended it. And my primary care doctor prescribed it for me. I ended up making my own with a 50 millilitre, uh, 50 millilitres and 50-milligram pills because my insurance doesn't cover compounding.

And that was the most economical way for me to do it. And so my primary care doctors, he's in on it too, and he actually prescribed it for me. And, um, you know, does all the followup for it for me.

Linda Elsegood: When you started, did you notice any side effects at all?

Margaret: Well, I started at 0.5.mg, cause I was doing liquid, it was really easy to change my dose based on whatever I was noticing.

So the very first thing that I noticed was that I started dreaming, like a lot, and they weren't bad dreams. They were actually amazing, wonderful dreams. But when you have Cushing's and you don't sleep for a long time, you don't dream anymore cause you never get to REM sleep. And I'd had several sleep studies. You know when I was sick but didn't know what was wrong with me.

And I never got up. I never had any REM at all. So I will say that the very first thing that happened was it gave me background sleep and I started dreaming on a regular basis. And each increase in dose I would have several days of. Just fantastical dreams, which is a good thing for me. So it's a side effect, but a good one to me.

IThey were never bad dreams or nightmares or anything like that.  I did notice that on each dose increase that I would have a little bit of bowel motility, very short-lived. And when you have hormone issues. That's not unusual. You know, there's a lot of stuff going on in my body, so I don't know if I can particularly attribute it to LDN, but I think so. and it just was, you know, getting used to it. So at this point, I'm, my endo wants me to work up to four, but I'm very slowly working my way up. Right now, I'm on four, and that has been a process of about a year of getting up that high. And I stayed at three for a long time. But my Hashi titers were still very high, and so he wanted me to go up a little higher and see if we could get it to work.

Linda Elsegood: So, what is a typical day like for you now?

Margaret: Well, I attribute some of it to LDN. Some of it is just simply time. And my pituitary is recovering, but I now work full time. I am completely in control of my own life. I still have some chronic pain. It's much better. I do think that the LDN helped with the pain a lot.

It is now where I can take two Motrin a day and be pretty okay. I also use acupuncture extensively, which is, you know, it's not about LDN, but that is a huge part of my recovery as well. And I would say, you know, my life is an eight, and I work full time, probably 60 hours a week. I take my own kids to school.

I have a child in college now. And I take him to school and I grocery shop, clothing shop. I do everything now. And so it's a huge improvement from before I had surgery for my pituitary tumour. And I think LDN is probably half that. I, I won't be stopping it anytime soon.

Linda Elsegood: What would you say to other people who are thinking of trying LDN?

Margaret: You know, I think it's such, it's such a longstanding drug that's been around for so long and they know what the side effects are and it's really easy. So low risk, why not try it? And I think that's how I presented it to my primary care. I said, you know, cause he had other people on it.

And so he had heard of it. He was aware of the drug, and it's such a low dose. He just had no problem letting me try it, even if he didn't really believe in it necessarily. So I would approach it in that way. But I mean, the risks are very low and if it doesn't help, then just quit if it does and amazing.

Yeah. That's what I would say. Try it,

Linda Elsegood: You have such an amazing story and so inspirational for other people. Thank you very much. You're sharing it with us.

Margaret: Oh, you're welcome.

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Manda - Holland: Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Manda from Holland has Hashimoto's thyroid condition. She first started noticing symptoms at the early age of 17; she is now 41. During her studies, she had extreme difficulties with her sleep, and at the age of 35 she quit her career because symptoms were worsening. Always tired, dizzy, and her whole back and pelvis started to become unstable, where she then had problems sitting for more than 15 minutes; which therefore made social activities difficult. 

Manda rated her quality of life a 4/10 before low dose naltrexone (LDN), and ever since her quality of life has improved drastically.

After finding information about LDN, Manda asked her doctor to prescribe it for her, but the response was unfortunately a no. Then after looking online she found a six month waiting list prescription from France. 

Initial side effects included, trouble sleeping and migraines. Now after six months, Manda is still amazed by the medication, and would recommend people to give it a try.

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Lynn - US: Hashimoto's, High Antibodies, Benign Tumors (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Lynn from the United States takes LDN for high antibodies, Hashimotos. Her body was attacking my thyroid and other organs. But was also in agony constantly. She had undiagnosed Hashimotos for 10 years, her thyroids were destroyed, with only a small amount left.

13 different specialists always said they would not prescribe such a drug as Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN). Synthetic thyroid medications were not working, it was causing a huge amount of pain and brain fog, the inability to think straight, and was also in chronic pain. 

After taking LDN for a few days, she started to notice a huge difference in her pain. She built up strength in her muscles, and her brain fog was disappearing. 

Even her husband, who had Parkinson's disease is now also taking LDN, after 7 months he has also noticed a huge relief, and less pain. 

LDN has given Lynn a new lease of life, she feels as though she can now take care of herself and exercise.

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Kerry - US: Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Kerry from the United States to takes LDN for Hashimoto's where she was diagnosed in 2002. However in the year 2000 she started noticing weight gain, and hair started falling out, she was also constantly having some sinus infections. 

After tests, confusion and different medications such as antibiotics, Kerry was still feeling constantly exhausted, her hair was thin, acne breakouts were common and she was gaining weight. Her cholesterol levels and blood pressure were also going up. There was no answer for Kerry, apart from the fact she did have Thyroid Disease. 

After time on social media, she came across a doctor mentioning Low Dose Naltrexone medication (LDN), and how it's helped Hashimoto's patients. Her general practitioner had never heard of LDN, although she was willing to let her try. Even getting a prescription from her pharmacy in Florida. After some time testing different dosages, Kerry’s energy increased greatly, her hair seemed softer, and her body seemed more hyper. 

To conclude, Kerry definitely does recommend Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) to people who have Hashimoto’s.

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Julie - US: Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Julie from the United States takes LDN for Hashimoto's thyroiditis after noticing issues after the birth of her son, at the early age of 30. Julie started experiencing some fatigue, constipation and eczema. And then after the birth of her son, she was getting the flu a lot; feeling exhausted. Julier found out that she had the MTHFR gene mutation. Which also further hinders your body's ability to detoxify.

After 12 different physicians that never helped her. Julie told them what her symptoms were, her theories, and that her thyroid was not well. They carried on telling her she was fine. 

Julie has been very disappointed with endocrinologists, after her strange experience with her antibody testings. During this time she hasn't been able to find one to prescribe Low Dose Naltrexone medication (LDN). Even after taking it and telling an endocrinologist that it helped, they still wouldn't prescribe it or even expressed interest in learning about it.

Julie felt the difference with the Low Dose Naltrexone medication (LDN) immediately. She felt perkier, better moods, and had more energy .

Julie’s advice to people who have Hashimoto’s is to try LDN, work on your diet, eliminating gluten and cutting down on superfoods. The LDN medication has also made Julie happier, she feels a world of a difference with less anxiety and depression also.

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Julie - Australia: Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Julie is from Australia and takes LDN for Hashimoto’s disease. She was diagnosed in 2007, but looks back on having symptoms several years before. She was tired all the time, losing her hair, had dry skin, couldn’t eat well and living on one meal a day, had aches throughout her body, started to lose strength and muscle, depression, had brain fog almost every day, frequent urination, constipation, loss of balance, dry eyes, blurred vision, cold hands and feet – her hands would go numb in air conditioning - sensitivity to heat, tightness in the throat, neck pain, feeling her head too heavy for her neck to hold up, and limited neck range of motion. She had an internal tremor that made her feel weak; and air hunger as if not getting enough oxygen despite deep breathing. She had low blood pressure and body temperature.

The symptoms started to impact her job and social life. An ultrasound showed 2 nodules on her thyroid and a shrunken left side of the thyroid. Initially she refused medication, thinking she could get better on her own. She went to a naturopath to try for a natural way to heal, but 12 months later had to go on medication. She chose natural desiccated thyroid and got some good from it balancing her hormones, but symptoms didn’t go away no matter how much doctors tweaked her medication. She saw lots of doctors over 5 years, but remained debilitated by the symptoms. She attributes it to the hormone not actually entering the cells.

About 18 months ago her doctor recommended LDN and Julie researched it and decided to try it. When she started she quickly was able to reduce her thyroid medication. But then she had a bad virus lasting 3-4 weeks; then got Candida, which she heard can stop LDN from working. She got fantastic support from a Facebook group.

Julie feels her improvements from LDN are fantastic - from being sad, debilitated, and tired, to loving life and cheerful. Over the last 18 months she has gotten about 50% of her life back, and knows she’ll continue to get better. She feels she started at a quality of life of about 2 on a 10 point scale, and currently is about 7

She tells others about how good it is, and gives much credit to Deb who runs the Facebook group on beating Hashimoto’s disease with LDN.

Summary of Julie's interview, please listen to the video for the full story.

Keywords: LDN, low dose naltrexone, Hashimoto’s, thyroiditis, thyroid, thyroid nodules, natural desiccated thyroid, Candida

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Joy - US: Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Joy is from the United States and takes LDN for Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, to boost her endorphin levels and to control her antibodies. In 2008 she had a big crash, probably from her thyroid. It would bet getter, then get worse. By 2011 she hit rock bottom – “all the fuel went out of my tank” – her thyroid was not producing enough T-3 to have any sense of wellbeing. She believes her endorphin issues started in her teenage years. In her early 20s he was treated with full-dose naltrexone for an opiate addiction, and it made her feel terrible. So, when she heard about LDN for thyroid she was concerned, but interested. She researched LDN and found it was very effective at lowering the antibodies affecting how her thyroid was working.

When she started LDN her quality of life was maybe up to 6 out of 10, because she had just started taking a natural thyroid product; before the thyroid product she was perhaps at level 2. She found naltrexone to order from India and had it shipped to her, then she mixed it with distilled water and dosed herself. When she started LDN she had “three-dimensional dreams” that were extremely vivid, but faded after about a week.  She noticed improvements in about a week as well, and had to lower her thyroid medication by about 20%. Her antibodies decreased by about 50%, but were still a bit over the acceptable range on LDN 1.5 mg. She has been on LDN 3.0 mg for a while but hasn’t been retested.

At the time of the interview Joy had been on LDN for almost 4 months, and her quality of life bounced up to an 8. If it helped her peri-menopausal hormone issues it would be a 10, but LDN doesn’t seem to be helping with that. Linda Elsegood commented that talking with Dr. Phil Boyle she learned that LDN does help with a lot of women’s problems like endometriosis, though not necessarily menopausal problems; and that LDN helped her endometriosis improve over about 18 months.

If others are unable to find a doctor to prescribe LDN. Joy recommends they do research; and gives the warning to know the signs of overmedicating with thyroid medication, as once on LDN they’ll need to lower their thyroid dose pretty quickly. Linda Elsegood advised that importing LDN from India isn’t actually legal, but realizes it may be the only way some people can get it.

Joy would love to share her information so others can talk to their doctors about LDN. Her personal physician has some autoimmune issues, and is quite excited about LDN. Linda Elsegood pointed out that the LDN Research Trust’s doctor’s information packs have been quite successful. People print it and take it to their doctors, and the success rate is very high once the doctors read the information. Word is spreading, more neurologists are using LDN for multiple sclerosis, rheumatologists are now using it as well

Summary of Joy's interview, please listen to the video for the full story.

Keywords: LDN, low dose naltrexone, Hashimoto’s, thyroiditis, thyroid, endorphins, menopause, endometriosis, multiple sclerosis

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Jenny - US: Ulcerative Colitis, Hashimoto’s, Autoimmune Issues, 01 Nov 2017 (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Jenny from the US takes LDN for Ulcerative Colitis, Hashimoto's, Grave Disease and other neurological autoimmune issues. Jenny’s first symptom was ocular migraines about three years ago. Allergies increased after that, fatigue and mood swings. Jenny had heard of Low Dose Naltrexone early on in her illness as she had researched.  The first thing she tried was the Paleo diet which helped but she then saw a holistic doctor who diagnosed Hashimoto’s and Graves Disease.  Her doctor suggested Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN).  Jenny has been on LDN for 10 months and says it’s been spectacular - her food sensitivities resolved, energy levels improved, mood improved and her fatigue lessened.  Jenny now feels almost back to normal and would recommend that others try it for any autoimmune disease.

 

Jennifer from the United States shares her experience using Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) to treat Hashimoto’s, Ankylosing Spondylitis, and Lyme disease.

She first noticed symptoms in January of 1999. She thought she had the flu, but was sick for a week with a high fever and migraines. After that, she didn’t feel as if she’d recovered. When she went back to the doctor, the only thing that came up on testing was kidney failure. At that point, she had to stop playing hockey and drop out of night school for college, and it was difficult to work her full-time job. She had problems with fatigue and focusing. Over 14 years she saw over 40 different doctors and had over 60 tests done, but the doctors never found much that they could diagnose. However, her health continued to decline. Doctors ran tests for Lyme disease, connective tissue disease, other types of autoimmune disease, and Marfan syndrome, but they couldn’t come up with a good explanation for her symptoms. Eventually Jennifer developed Hashimoto’s and Ankylosing Spondylitis. Her doctors also found she had two mutations of the MTHFR gene. 

In 2012, she went to the Cleveland Clinic and saw a neurologist who recognized her autoimmune conditions. He recommended a gluten-free diet, which was helpful in reducing her rheumatoid factor. At that time, she still suffered from fatigue and chronic urethritis, which was very painful. Finally she saw a urologist who recognized she had an infection in the walls of the urethra, and put her on antibiotics. However, the antibiotics weren’t very helpful in relieving her symptoms.

By 2013, her symptoms would flare and subside, but she began having IBS issues as well as increasing cognitive problems and migraines. She couldn’t walk right, she couldn’t talk right, and her writing was illegible. She felt that she had a lot of symptoms of Lyme disease, but the infectious disease doctor said she didn’t have it. She then went to a lung doctor who tested her again. This time her tests were negative for IgM, positive for IgG, and positive for bartonella, anaplasma, and mycoplasma. He started her on low dose naltrexone in October of 2013. They started at 3 or 4.5 mg, which was too high of a dose, so they went down to 0.5 mg, which was a better dose. She learned that she reacted badly to the higher dose of LDN because of her chronic Lyme disease, parasites, and systemic candida. Within a year, she responded to the LDN and her doctor was able to gradually increase her dosage to 3 mgs as her health issues resolved.  

Just before starting LDN, Jennifer would rate her quality of life at about a 1 on a scale of 1-10, due to constant pain, fatigue, and sickness. 

In terms of side effects of LDN, Jennifer had vivid dreams for the first week, but after that, she’s had no ill effect from the LDN. She does find that it works best for her to take LDN in the early evening, around 6 or 7 pm.

Jennifer noted positive effects from the LDN in the first week of taking it. She was able to lower her blood pressure medicine, and her IBS issues resolved. She also was able to get off all of her allergy medicine, including Singulair and two inhalers. Initially, her pain levels increased, but after the first two weeks, the pain went away. The LDN has allowed Jennifer to get off of about 90% other medications, and she’s lost over 30 pounds. 

At this point, her quality of life is significantly improved, though she’s still dealing with the Lyme disease and coinfections that had gone undiagnosed and untreated for over 14 years, so on a scale of 1-10, she’d rate her quality of life at about a 5. She would definitely recommend that patients with her conditions give LDN a try--she tried LDN instead of going on the biologic Remicade, and she’s glad she did. The LDN regulated her immune system rather than suppressing it. It might seem to make some symptoms worse at first, but in her experience the LDN just brought forward underlying health issues that needed to be addressed. As those issues are addressed, her quality of life continues to improve. 

This has been a summary of Jennifer’s story. Please listen to the interview for the full story. 

Erin - US: Hashimoto's, Lupus, Depression (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Linda Elsegood: I’d to introduce Erin from the United States who takes LDN for hypopituitary or as it's sometimes called secondary adrenal insufficiency. Hashimoto's thyroiditis, lupus and depression. Thanks for joining me, Erin.

Erin: You're welcome. Thanks for having me.

Linda Elsegood: Could you tell us when you first started to become sick?

How old were you?

Erin: Um, well, I would say I noticed, um, I was, it was after the birth of my third daughter. Uh, and that would be approximately 13 years ago that, uh, I was. Becoming increasingly fatigued and, um, just not handling stress well at all. Um, and we discovered at that point that I had a, that my thyroid was underactive and I started taking, um, some people medication, which, you know, it kind of sorta helped, but I, I never really, um, So back, quite back to normal and over the years following that birth, but especially after the birth of my next son, which was, um, I mean, my son, which was let's see, ten years ago, almost 11.

Um, then I fell into a deeper state of ill health where Lucas. Uh, come out, and we discovered that my hypothyroidism was actually, um, Hashimoto's thyroiditis. So it was the autoimmune, uh, form of the condition. And I was very, um, I was depressed. I was exhausted. I was in pain, um, and we were able to get my autoimmune conditions, um, under relative control.

Uh, within a couple of years, uh, doing some anti-inflammatories and things like that. But since then, I have always had lingering symptoms. So since the birth of my son, my periods never came back. So I, I never, um, had natural cycles again. Um, I've always suffered from depression, uh, nearly chronic, um, just.

Very easily brought low. I've always suffered from extreme irritability. Uh, just very low tolerance, distress, uh, any sort of loud noises. And I just, you know, lash out. I just, it would make me come unglued and, um, I was also, uh, having extreme constipation and just a lot of lingering what I would call high coats.

Fibroid symptoms, um, or, you know, low adrenal symptoms, but no one ever checked my adrenals at that point. So about a year ago, I started doing some investigating on my own, and I discovered that I was showing symptoms of a low adrenal function. And I started contacting through the help of my doctor and through the help of some forums on the internet.

Uh, I. Was able to piece together some tests that I might benefit from and come to find out last October, we came up with the diagnosis of a hypopituitary. So I have the reason that I wasn't cycling. And, um, the reason that I had such low-stress tolerance was that the pituitary couldn't communicate with my other endocrine glands, the need for the hormones that my body needs.

For, uh, my, you know, oblation and my cycles, he couldn't communicate it for the adequate amounts of cortisol to deal with stress. And, um, I was on that at that time on one of the LDN forums, because someone had suggested that it was a great forum to be on. And I hadn't really, um, heard of LDN, but I. They said it helps library problems.

So I joined the forum. I started learning about it. Um, I was in the process of optimizing my thyroid meds, getting switched over from T four to T three, which is a more potent, uh, thyroid medication. Um, and I, at the point at which I thought I'd find it. Fairly optimized. My thyroid things were going a lot better.

I was working on my iron levels, which were low. And, my symptoms of low thyroid were beginning to resolve on the different, on the different stuff. I would medication that, the symptoms that weren't resolving, where my depression, um, and I had also heard that LDN on the form that it can support the, uh, hypothalamus.

Adrenal pituitary. Um, adrenal axis, the HPA axis, which is typically the problem in hypo pituitary. I heard it could support that.

So I decided that once I optimize my thyroid meds, as much as I could, I was going to try all the, that came about, uh, just before the turn of the new year. So I think it was December 27, 2013.

I decided to go ahead and start the LDN. Uh, starting December 28, 2013. I have not been depressed one day since it had resolved all of my depression from day one. That was, it is unbelievable. It brings me to tears to think about, because I have suffered under such chronic depression and I think it was due to just, you know, low serotonin levels is all I can, um, Really think, cause I know that they'll be in supporting those serotonin levels and no one ever figured it out, but the LDN resolved it, and I have not been depressed day one.

Um, so that was resolved. And then within a week of taking the LDN, I was able to drop one-third of my thyroid medication. Um, I track my vital. Are you religious late? So I am constantly aware of my blood pressure, my heart rate and my body temperature. And uh, based on those. Vitals. I could tell that I just didn't need another dose, uh, that I normally take.

So I dropped one of my doses during the day, and I did fine. My vital States, they stayed great. So then, um, as I was following the protocol of moving up on the LDN a month later, so in February, when I went from 1.5 milligrams of LDN to three milligrams of LDN, A week after I made that change, I was able to reduce my thyroid medication again by one third.I was able within just under two months able to reduce my thyroid medication by two thirds and resolved all of my depression. And I'm still looking forward to seeing if it fixes any of my other hormones, albums. I just went in today actually for some retesting of my sex hormones.

And I'm looking to see if maybe, you know, over time it might improve those levels naturally. I'm not sure what other magic it's going to do to my system, but I am utterly grateful for LDN. And I'm so pleased with the results that I've had now. I did have some sleep issues with it, but those are gone, and I'm just.

Just very, very happy with it. And as I was telling a fellow, uh, a friend who was asking me about it for their own health, I said, you couldn't pry it from my cold dead hands.

Linda Elsegood:  Amazing story

Erin:it is, I am just, um, I'm so grateful. I honestly, I, I suffered from depression for so long, just, you know, four out of seven days a week probably. And I just. I feel like a new person.

Linda Elsegood: I'm so pleased for you.

Well, keep me posted, let me know how you get on in say a year's time. That's very interesting. Yes,

Erin: I will definitely do that.

Linda Elsegood: Thank you very much for sharing your story with us, Erin.

 

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