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Tom O'Bryan, DC - Gut Healing (2017 Conference) (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Autoimmune diseases are the third leading cause of getting sick and dying in the industrialized world surpassed only by cancer and heart disease. Three things in the development of autoimmune diseases: having the gene for that disease, the environmental trigger that that sets it off, and the loss of intestinal barrier function. How you live your life determines whether or not you get that condition. You can arrest the development of the autoimmune disease.

Dr Tom O'Bryan: Well. Hello everyone. This is Dr Tom O'Bryan, and it's a pleasure to be with you. And this is for the Low Dose Naltrexone Conference, September 21 through the 24th of this year (2017) in Portland, Oregon. And it's with a great deal of gratitude that I am presenting there.

I'm very grateful for the work that Linda Elsegood and the entire team is doing to bring out information about low dose naltrexone to the world and how remarkable a tool it is, to use with many, many different health conditions. And in our presentations in the past in 2016 at the LDN conference, which I believe that presentation is accessible to you if you go to the LDN conference website, we talked a great deal about how LDN is a benefit with autoimmune conditions. I referenced that. And how if a person has a sensitivity to wheat, whether they know it or not, it can diminish the effectiveness of LDN. And, uh, just as a segue last year in 2016, I presented at the Fourth International Oncology Conference in Abu Dhabi and showed the studies that if a person has a sensitivity to wheat, a number of different approaches of chemotherapy will not work the way they're supposed to and is for a similar mechanism. And that is that wheat will bind down to receptor sites that LDN also binds onto and that chemotherapy can bind onto. So this whole thing about wheat is worth exploring in more detail, and you can learn more about that by reviewing the presentation from the 2016 conference.

And that's just a little of who I am. I like to start with this slide. This is a display in the museum of science in Florence, Italy. This is Galileo's finger. And Galileo bequeaths in his will that all of his inventions could be on display for all of the posterity as long as they also displayed his finger.

And I like to put that up because you're going to hear her so much marvelous information in this conference. And when I've sat as an attendee in conferences like this, I take pages and pages of notes, and I'll write down, check this for this patient, or read this article or look more into this topic.

And I have pages of notes, and then I go back home and Monday morning back to work, and I don't have time to do any of it. That there is so much good information that we get. It's hard to implement. So I came up with the principle that if there's one thing, just one thing, that I walk away from a conference, a weekend conference with that goes into my lifestyle or my practice for the rest of my career, that weekend was worthwhile.

The thousands of dollars to travel and stay in hotels and pay the registration and be out of my practice. It's worthwhile, if I can just pick up one thing, I wish I could pick up ten things, but if, if I can pick up one, then it is a value. And so that's how I feel about this presentation, that if we all understand the concept of autoimmune disease and the message that I want to give you here today, this will stay with you the rest of your life. And it will not only help you in making more informed choices in your health care but also your children, your spouse, your family.

The first part of this autoimmune disease concept is that there are four circles to consider when thinking about autoimmune diseases. Genetics, and this is not a talk about genetics today, but let me just say with genetics, if you have a gene for a particular disease, that does not mean you're going to get the disease. It means that you're vulnerable to getting that disease. So the way I say it to patients is, Mrs patient if you pull it a chain, the chain breaks at the weakest link. It's at one end, the middle, the other end. It's your heart, your brain, your liver, your kidney, wherever your weak genetic link is, that's where the chain's going to break if you pull too hard.

So the goal in life is don't pull so hard on the chain because if your weak link is your brain, that's where the disease will manifest. If you pull too hard, if the weak link in your chain is your skin, you may get psoriasis. If the weak link in your chain is your joints, you may get rheumatoid arthritis, but it's the pull on the chain that allows the gene to express itself with the vulnerability that you have.

So genetics is important, but they are not a sentence that you're doomed to get a particular condition. It's how you live your life. That determines whether or not you get that condition. Notice that the genetics in yellow there is not covering everything. That it's only the part of the genetics that merges with the infections, the toxic chemicals, the dietary components.

Those are the triggers that will pull on the chain. And then if the link breaks, the gene gets activated and here come your kidney infections. If that's your weak genetic link, or here comes your Parkinson's if that's your weak genetic link. So the goal here is to learn how to not pull on the chain so hard.

To find out what it is in your life, in your body, with your genetics, where the weak link in the chain is. So the classical paradigm of an autoimmune development, the pathogenesis of autoimmune disease involving a specific genetic trigger and exposure to genetic makeup and exposure to environmental triggers has been challenged by the addition of a third element. There are three things in the development of autoimmune diseases. You've got the gene for that particular disease, whether it's Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or rheumatoid or ms or diabetes. You've got the gene, the environmental trigger that that sets it off, the straw that breaks the camel's back, when you're pulling on that chain too hard. And there's a third element, and that is the loss of intestinal barrier function. The technical term is pathogenic intestinal permeability. The slang term is leaky gut, and we're going to talk about that in detail, so you have a clear understanding of what the scientists are talking about when they're referring to the loss of intestinal barrier function.

So in this article in autoimmune disease, in the journal, autoimmune diseases, they talked about the environmental triggers, whether it's food or something in the air or something like in your clothing. If you get dry cleaning and you're inhaling those chemicals, those minute amount of chemicals, all the time, you can't tell, but you are inhaling them.

So the trigger. Causes a breakdown in oral tolerance. That means that you no longer can tolerate this food changes your gut microbiota. The technical term is dysbiosis, which enhances gut permeability. You get this thing called pathogenic intestinal permeability or the leaky gut, which causes large macromolecules to get into the bloodstream that isn't supposed to get into the bloodstream, which your immune system reacts to, to protect you, which then can trigger autoimmunity.

And in this article, it was neuro autoimmunity. So I'm going to go through these concepts in more detail so that they're crystal clear for you. Increased intestinal permeability is, and I underlined this, is an early biological change that often preceded the onset of autoimmune diseases. The intestinal permeability comes first.

By the way, the way that I do my presentations is that this is the front page of the article I read, and in the upper right side, you see the name of the medical journal, the issue, the volume number, the date, sometimes the pages. And then in the yellow box are exact quotes from the authors, exact quotes. I haven't changed a word.

If I've added anything, it's in parentheses, but these are exact quotes. This becomes your reference library, this presentation on this topic because these are the exact quotes. Such increased permeability could be due to environmental factors such as infections and toxic molecules and allergenic foods that possibly initiate the autoimmune disease.

Together with the gut-associated lymphoid tissue and the neuroendocrine network, the intestinal epithelial barrier with its intercellular tight junctions controls the balance between tolerance and immunity to non-self antigens. Non-self antigens mean, uh, environmental molecules you're exposed to, whether it's food or air or water.

It's not part of you, but it's inside of you. And when you lose tolerance to that thing and your immune system gets activated, now you have a non-self antigen. And this suggests the autoimmune process can be arrested if the interplay between genes and the environment is prevented by re-establishing intestinal barrier function.

This is the take-home point that you can arrest the development of rheumatoid psoriasis, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's, or Alzheimer's, dermatomyositis. It doesn't matter—the autoimmune disease. Practically every autoimmune disease that we've ever looked at, we see this trilogy, which is a genetic vulnerability and the environmental trigger and intestinal permeability, and if intestinal permeability is the gateway into the development of the autoimmune disease when you take care of the intestinal permeability, you close the gates.

And when you close the gates, your immune system calms down. And I'm going to go through this in detail for you in this presentation. So if we take a look at autoimmunity, the National Institute of Health tells us the autoimmune disease coordinating committee that while many individual autoimmune diseases are rare, collectively, they are thought to affect about 8% of our population, about 24 million people. To provide a context for this, the impact of the impact on autoimmune diseases, cancer affects 9 million people. Heart disease, about 22 million people, but autoimmune disease, 24 million people. And Dr Jeffrey Bland went around the country, around the world, actually talking about autoimmune diseases, and he said, collectively, the autoimmune disease has been identified in about 24 million people in the US, but only one out of three are diagnosed.

That means there are about 72 million people out there with an autoimmune disease, and it's not looked for. Doctors don't look for it. Our system waits until the signs and symptoms are severe enough. With organ failure and organ can't function correctly anymore, and there's irreversible damage, and now you have symptoms, then we start to look for it.

Seventy-two million people, autoimmune diseases are the third leading cause of morbidity. That means getting sick and mortality. That means dying in the industrialized world surpassed only by cancer and heart disease. So this is what we're up against. Many times when you start looking at this world of autoimmune diseases, autoimmune diseases can affect any part of the body.

There's no part of your body that can not have an autoimmune mechanism going on. And it takes an inordinate amount of time and perseverance by the patient. Look at how many years it took on average for diagnosis of autoimmune diseases. In the last, uh, almost 20 years here now, 20, 21 years since 1996.

How many years did it take? How many doctors did the person have to see, and how many were told it's just in their head, and they're just a complainer—the years to diagnosis for different autoimmune diseases. The number of doctors seems to get a diagnosis for different autoimmune diseases. The per cent that was told, their diagnosis imagined, or that they were overly concerned that it was just in their head.

Half the people are told it's just in your head, and they've got a devastating disease that's killing off their tissue. These are not exceptions. These are the averages. Why so long and difficult is to correct, to get a correct diagnosis. Physician education was identified as a contributing factor.

The American Autoimmune and Related Diseases Association did a study of family practitioners, family doctors, and this is what they found when asked in medical school, how much training in autoimmune diseases did you receive? Look at the numbers here. 18.5% one lecture, 27.8% two lectures, 18.5% three to five lectures.

That means more than half the people. Half the doctors had some less than five lectures. Now, that's not courses. That's a lecture. This is just unacceptable. Would you agree that you received enough training to diagnose and treat autoimmune diseases? Look how many doctors feel they don't agree with that statement, that they did not get enough training.

What is the level of comfort in diagnosing autoimmune diseases? Half of the physicians interviewed were uncomfortable. Half of them because they just didn't get the training. They don't know how to identify this until it's so obvious that it's just staring you right in the face. So before I go onto this first premise, I just want to say it's not our doctor's fault that patients have to see so many doctors to get the right diagnosis.

They just weren't trained. They weren't trained in this. Now it is their fault. When they tell somebody, it's all in your head. Rather, an appropriate thing would be to say, you know, I just don't know what's going on here. I'm going to have to send you to somebody else cause I just don't know. I take issue with telling people it's in their head. Okay, let's move on.

Premise number one. Just how prevalent is the development of autoimmune diseases? Well, I'm going to introduce a new concept here about the true prevalence of autoimmunity. Autoimmune diseases are the third leading cause of getting sick and dying in the industrialized world surpassed only by cancer and heart disease.

However, if we think a little more closely about this, immune driven inflammation is key to the development of cardiovascular disease. We think the number one cause of getting sick and dying in the world is cardiovascular disease, but it is immune driven. Atherosclerosis is increasingly considered an immune system-mediated process of the vascular system.

Autoimmunity plays a major role in the development of dyslipidemia and atherosclerotic plaque formation. Atherogenesis the development of atherosclerosis has been proposed to be considered an autoimmune disease. Now, this is the World Journal of Cardiology talking to us. Thus, if the cardiovascular disease has an initiating autoimmune component, arguably what becomes the number one mechanism in the progression of getting sick and dying in the world today. If we think about it, and if cardiovascular disease is autoimmune in its initiating phases, then autoimmunity becomes the number one mechanism for getting sick and dying in the world, your immune system attacking your own tissue, and I'm going to show you why this happens, but whether it's number one or number three, it doesn't really matter. The point is it's in your practice every day. It's in your family every single day.

Premise number two, how can we identify people at risk for the development of autoimmune diseases? The National Institute of Health tells us that there are six potential mechanisms by which biomarkers can really help with identifying autoimmune diseases. They enable a diagnosis before the onset of symptoms. I'm going to explain this. They predict specific organ involvement. They predict disease flares.They identify clinically meaningful disease subsets, and they predict and monitor response to therapy and describe organ or tissue damage. So once again, if autoimmunity plays a major role in the development of dyslipidemia, atherosclerotic plaque, the next sentence in this article, what they said was the mechanisms underlying these changes include the interplay of inflammation and autoantibody formation. So the mechanisms underlying these changes include the interplay of inflammation and autoantibody formation. So we can predict organ involvement. We can enable diagnosis before the onset of symptoms. We can predict and monitor response to therapy. We can identify clinical, clinically meaningful disease subsets.

And here's what I'm going to show you how. This articles by Arbuckle and her team and came out in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2003, and she went to the Department of Veterans Affairs hospital system,and looked for people with the autoimmune disease - lupus, systemic lupus erythematosus -and she found 130 people in this one VA centre with lupus. Now, if they're in the VA system, they're veterans. If they're veterans, they were in the armed forces. If they were in the armed forces, they had their blood drawn many times over the years when they were in the armed forces when they were healthy in the Army, the Air Force, the Navy. What most people don't know is that the US government has saved all of that blood since 1978. They've got tens of millions of samples of our service people's blood.

So Dr Arbuckle went to the VA and asked for permission to look at the blood of these people currently diagnosed with lupus from when they were healthy in the Navy or in the Marines, and she received permission to do it. And what did she find? She found that antibodies are typically present many years before the diagnosis of lupus.

That the appearance of these antibodies follows a predictable course with a progressive accumulation of the antibodies, you keep producing more and more and more before the onset of lupus, before the, while those patients are still asymptomatic, they have no symptoms. So this graph from her research article shows that with the antibodies in general, they were 50% above the limit of normal six years before the patient ever had symptoms, six years, and the average was six months after the start of symptoms before they got the diagnosis of lupus in this particular study. And these are the seven different antibodies of lupus. There are seven, and you can see every single one of them. Zero is normal. So if going from left to right, the zero lines are normal and every one of those antibodies was elevated years before there ever were symptoms and referred to as the first manifestation of SLE, systemic lupus erythematosus.

Years beforehand, the antibodies were elevated, and you can see how they kept climbing up every year, going up, going up, going up until they start to plateau. After you get symptoms, you've pretty much killed off enough tissue where you're getting symptoms now. So let's just back up. Let me just tell you something here.

Why is it normal to have antibodies to your own tissue? To your thyroid or to your brain or to your muscles or to your skin. Why is it normal? Because for most patients, we have an entirely new body every seven years. Entire new body. Some cells reproduce very quickly, like the inside lining of your guts—every three to five days.

Other cells are very slow, like bone cells are very slow. So every seven years you have an entirely new body. Right? So when cells get old or damaged, they get bruised from oxidation, bad foods, radiation when you fly in it in an aeroplane. There are many reasons why our cells get damaged. When that happens, the body has to make antibodies to get rid of the old and damaged cells, to make room for new cells.

That's how we create new cells. You've got to get rid of the old ones to make room for the new ones. So there's a normal reference range of antibodies. To your thyroid, to the myelin that wraps around your nerves, to the cerebellum in your brain, to the hypothalamus, in your brain, to your skin, to your joints.

We have a normal reference range of those antibodies, but when you have elevated antibodies, like in this slide here, you see all seven antibodies to lupus are elevated years beforehand, you're killing off more cells than you're making. And if the mechanism that's causing the elevation of the antibodies - remember environmental trigger genetics and intestinal permeability - if the mechanism continues, you keep making more antibodies, more antibodies, killing off more tissue, killing off more tissue, killing off more tissue until eventually, you've killed off so much tissue now that organ can't work right now, you start getting symptoms. Then it takes years to get the right diagnosis.

As you saw in the slides from earlier, it takes years to get the right diagnosis while you're still killing off tissue. So Dr Arbuckle refers to it as the prodromal period—that period before you have symptoms when you're killing off tissue. And the entire goal here is to identify the prodromal period for people before they've killed off so many tissues the brain can't work right anymore, or the heart can't work right anymore, and they get diagnosed with cardiomyopathy, or they get diagnosed with Alzheimer's or they get diagnosed with Parkinson's. So the goal here is to understand this prodromal period, and I'm going to talk to you about the testing to identify if people are in this prodromal period killing off cells.

So Dr Arbuckle drew this graph. You have normal immunity, a normal amount of a normal immune system. You get some benign auto-immunity. You're killing off a few cells to make room for new cells. Now you get pathogenic autoimmunity where you're killing off more cells than you're making, killing off your tissue, destroying your tissue, destroying your tissue until eventually, you get the clinical illness.

Now back in 2003, Dr Arbuckle did not know about the intestinal permeability part of this. So she's got two of the three, she's got the genetics on top and the environmental factors underneath. But the third one, the gateway that caused that allows all of this to happen is intestinal permeability. So immunologists all over the world said, well, that's brilliant what Dr Arbuckle did. Let's go back to the blood banks and look and see about other diseases. And there are many, many papers now published on the world of predictive autoimmunity. So look at this graph. If you have any antibodies to lupus, any of these seven antibodies elevated - the PPV stands for positive predictive value - you have a 94 to 100% positive predictive value. You're going to get lupus within 7to 10 years. For scleroderma, if either of these antibodies is elevated, 100% you're getting scleroderma within 11 years. Rheumatoid is 52 to 97% depending on the antibodies, within 14 years, you're getting rheumatoid Sjogren's; primary antiphospholipid syndrome is 100%. Now in this one, the bottom one, beta-2 glycoprotein 1, this is the antibody that's elevated for many women with unexplained miscarriages. It's an autoimmune mechanism causing a clot, blocking the blood flow into the uterus, into the placenta, and the woman miscarries.

So every woman, of childbearing age, in my opinion, that has a family history of miscarriages, should do this test to see if they have elevated antibodies to beta-2 glycoprotein 1 because it's such a very common trigger for the loss of a pregnancy, unexplained loss of a pregnancy, especially in the second trimester, but not exclusively in the second trimester.

If you have TPO antibodies elevated, especially postpartum, it's 92% you're getting Hashimoto's within 7 to 10 years. Primary billiary cirrhosis, 95% 25 years; type one diabetes, Addison's. 70% of Crohn's disease. Look at this. If you have sacharomyces or BCA antibodies elevated, that's ASCA antibodies. ASEA it's 100% you're getting Crohn's within three years.

The science has done on this. I mean, predictive autoimmunity is where we all want to go. We all want to include. What's cooking inside of me right now? What is it that I might be able to nip in the bud before it progresses by killing off enough cells that finally I'm now I'm diagnosed with dementia or Parkinson's or schizophrenia.

So this is a test that's available that looks at 24 different tissue antibodies in one blood draw. The top four, the grey ones are to the gut. The next two are to the thyroid, the adrenals, four for the heart, the reproductive system, three for the muscles and ligaments. Then the bones, a couple for the liver and the pancreas, and the bottom six are for the brain. You do this blood test, this single blood draw.

When I did this, I had three of the ones on the bottom elevated. I had myelin, basic protein, AGL, gangliosides and cerebellar antibodies elevated. I was 45 years old. I was at the peak of my triathlon career scoring in the top 10% of the 30 to 35-year-old. So I thought I was really healthy physically, but my immune system was killing off my brain, and I never knew. All outward appearances were that I was healthy.

I'll give you another example, a 44-year-old guy comes in to see me. His father died of a massive coronary at 44; his two older brothers died in their early forties of massive coronaries. He was 28 when his last brother died, and so he went to a cardiologist who put them on a statin right away, preventively. Now he comes to me 16 years later. He's been on a statin for 16 years, but he's the picture of health, really smart guy ,and learned the potential complications of statins. So he was taking a lot of nutrition to protect himself, including coincide Akutan. His diet was squeaky clean. He never ate junk, only good food, good healthy food. His body fat was 16%/ He had an excellent job. He was an executive. Happy family life. Everything looked great to doctors every year he got his physicals,. They said you're as healthy as a horse. When he came to me and said I want to do your tests, he wanted to do this test because he had heard about it. So we did this blood draw on him.

It came back: all four antibodies to his heart were sky-high, all four of them. He said, why is that really worrisome? And I said I don't know. Let's find out. It turns out that he was allergic to wheat and to dairy. When we did the right tests for him, he was allergic to wheat and dairy. I talked about those tests in last year's presentation at the LDN conference, on testing accurately for sensitivity to wheat. So he's allergic to wheat and dairy, and we put a wheat-free dairy-free. I didn't do anything else. He was already taking a bunch of good vitamins. All of his other markers were as healthy as could be. Six months later, he comes back, and then we retest—his heart antibodies are down to normal. The autoimmune mechanism killing off his heart had stopped. It was a reaction to the environmental triggers of some of the food that he was eating. And he said you saved my life. And I said, well, I don't know. You know, the doctors that did this work, they did all the research on this. That's really what we need to be grateful for. But this test is an introductory test to identify where is the pathology in your body right now. You know, no one gets Alzheimer's in their sixties or seventies. You get Alzheimer's in your twenties and thirties. It just takes decades of killing off brain cells before the damage is so extensive that it becomes obvious, and as you kill off more brain cells, the rate of the increase goes up, so you kill off faster as you go forward, as the antibodies keep going up and up and up and up.

Premise number three, what's the trigger to the production of antibodies to yourself? And the extremely important function of the GI tract is its ability to regulate the trafficking of macromolecules between the environment and the host through a barrier mechanism. What they mean here, Mrs Patient, if you could take a doughnut and just stretch a doughnut out, and if you look down that stretched out doughnut, looked down the hole, that's your GI tract from your mouth to the other end. It's one long tube. It's 20 to 25 feet long. Winds around inside your abdomen there, but it's one big long tube. So when you swallow food, it's really not in your body yet. It's in the tube. And it's gotta be broken down to go through the walls of the doughnut into the bloodstream.

We have to digest that food, break it down. Think of proteins like a pearl necklace. Hydrochloric acid made in your stomach undoes the clasp of the pearl necklace. Now you have a string of pearls. And the digestive enzymes that we make in the pancreas, in the gallbladder or in the microbiota., these digestive enzymes act as scissors to cut the pearl necklace into smaller clumps of the pearl necklace, and it keeps snipping them, snipping them, snipping them until you snip it into each little pearl of the pearl necklace.That's digestion.

Now you've got this long tube, the inside of the tube, it's got Shea carpeting, but the surface of it is lined with cheesecloth. The cheesecloth only lets really small molecules get through. If you remember your grandmother pouring gravy into the cheesecloth, only the liquid comes through the other side and all the clumps, they stay on the outside. They can't get into the gravy pouring dish. That's the way our system is. The inside of the tube is lined with cheesecloth, so only each little pearl of the pearl necklace can get through the cheesecloth and get in the bloodstream. Then your body uses these acids that are called amino acids to make new bone cells and brain cells and heart cells. That's the raw material you make your new cells from. But it's got to be in the form of the amino acids. As you're snipping down the pearl necklace, that 33 pearl clump, that 17 pearl clump, that 19 pearl club, they're not supposed to get through into the bloodstream. They can't get through unless you have intestinal permeability.

If you get tears in the cheesecloth, then larger clumps of the pearl necklace get through the tears in the cheesecloth. They're called macromolecules. They get through the tears in the cheesecloth into the bloodstream before they're supposed to be able to get through into the bloodstream. They're supposed to go further down the digestive tract. That's one reason why your intestines are 20 to 25 feet long, because prime rib takes a whole lot longer to break down than bananas. So you've got to snip, snip, snip, snip, snip. But if you've got tears in the cheesecloth, that's intestinal permeability.

If you've got tears in the cheesecloth clumps of the prime rib, clumps of that food molecule get through before they're supposed to. They're called macromolecules, big molecules. They're not supposed to get through, but they do. And when they get through your immune system says, Whoa, what's this? This is not something I can use to make new bone cells or brain cells. I better fight this. And your immune system makes antibodies to protect you from that food.

What we see here is what's called the healthy gut. And you can see the lining of the gut here. These are the shags in the tube, in the intestines, and the shags are all lined with cheesecloth. Now, and here's what it looks like. Those big molecules can't get through into the bloodstream. They can not get through. Only the little molecules get through, and doctors notice that the absorption of the small molecules is both between the cells, paracellular, and through the cells. That's really important when we talk more about high-fat diets later on. But this is normal. This is what a healthy gut is supposed to do. Only the small molecules get through, not the big molecules. Now when you have a gut that's been damaged, and you've got the tears in the cheesecloth, if you will, now you see the big molecules get through that big green mile. You'll know don't tell this chicken out. You're going to be allergic to chicken. Oh no, not beef. You're going to be allergic to cantaloupe. Any macromolecules that get through the tears in the cheesecloth into the bloodstream, your immune system then in an effort to protect you from  the macromolecule is going to make antibodies to that molecule.

Now you become sensitive to that food - and the people who do 90 food panels, IgG panels, look at 90 different foods - and it comes back they're sensitive to 25 different foods. They say, Oh my God, that's everything I eat. What am I going to eat? Well, of course, it's everything you eat. It's because your immune system's trying to protect you.

When you heal the gut, which we'll talk about how to do when you heal the gut, you wait six months and go back and check again. Now you're sensitive to maybe three foods. This is so critically important to understand because it's these macromolecules that get into the bloodstream. Your body fights these macromolecules, the immune system trying to protect you, fights it, and then there's this whole world of molecular mimicry, the antibodies against the food start attacking your own tissue.

So a common initial autoimmune pathway and therapeutic target to the degenerative disease include the immune response to intestinal antigen presentation. That means, when these macromolecules get into your bloodstream, your immune system responds trying to protect you, which triggers intestinal inflammation from that antigen getting in, which triggers activating the tight junction proteins, which triggers antibody production to the barrier proteins, which triggers leaky or leaky gut, leaky brain, leaky bladder. Which triggers pathogenic intestinal permeability antigen and macromolecule translocation into the bloodstream and immune response to the antibody production, molecular mimicry, and other pathways that occur and the development of the autoimmune mechanism.

This is the mechanism that's responsible for so much of the autoimmune disease that we are suffering from today. Arguably, number one or two or three cause of morbidity and mortality in the industrialized world. This is the mechanism. When you understand this, and you start addressing this mechanism, you will find so many of your patients not only get dramatic results in a few months, but they're so grateful, and you extend the quality of their life and most likely the length of their life, but certainly, the quality causes you to calm down this inflammatory cascade.

The autoimmune process, once again, can be arrested if the interplay between genes and environmental triggers is prevented by re-establishing intestinal barrier function, you can arrest the development of the autoimmune disease by healing the gut. Most critical is healing the gut. Well, what? How do you heal the gut? Well, first you have to stop throwing gasoline on the fire. You have to find out what the person is sensitive to and reacting to, and then you heal the gut. We'll talk about that in a little bit.

Premise number four, can foods trigger pathogenic intestinal permeability. This is a great study that came out of Harvard a couple of years ago using confocal endomicroscopy. They took patients, I don't remember how many patients, 36; they took 36 patients at Harvard diagnosed with irritable bowel syndrome, IBS, who were complete failures to every protocol they had tried for a year. The minimum was a year of no results. Still suffering dramatically, and this is Harvard.

So they took these people - confocal endomicroscopy is taking pictures of the inside of the gut - when, they looked at the inside of the gut, they found that the microvilli were closely attached to each other without space between. This is what it looks like. That's confocal endomicroscopy on the left, and that's a scanning electron microscope picture on the right. With confocal endomicroscopy, you get much clearer pictures of what's going on. So they exposed these 36 patients to cows milk, wheat, yeast, soy, and sterile water to see was there any reaction in the gut when they were exposed to these common antigen foods, antigenic foods. Lots of people are sensitive to these foods, so they said, well, let's, let's try it on these failure patients and see what happens. Within five minutes of exposure to food antigens, intraepithelial lymphocytes increase, epithelial leaks and gaps form between the cells and the intervillous spaces widened. This is what it looks like. It shows that the villi are close together. They injected a white dye, and I think they injected it into the femoral vein. I'm not sure. I think that's where they did so that the dye would be flowing through the blood vessels in the intestines. And then when they expose the intestines of these people to these different foods, they look to see if they got intestinal permeability. Did the dye leak out of the blood vessels out into the lumen of the intestines? So it's kind of a reverse permeability, you know? But are there gaps? And this dye is leaking out and look at B, multiple eruptions represent breaks in the wall, and they put white arrows where these eruptions are. See, the white dye is out into the lumen of the intestines, now. This all occurred within five minutes, people. Within five minutes.

Now this one is really cool. This is a five-minute video, and if you scroll over the video, you'll see the arrow comes up, and if you click on it now the videos starts, and you'll see it looks the same for a moment. But notice that the white starts showing itself more on the surface here. Remember the dye's inside. Now you can see the gaps forming. See that gap on the right side there, and it's white. Watch what happens. This is intestinal permeability as it's occurring. Look at all the white that's coming in up. The gaps between the cells that are not supposed to be there. This is how macromolecules get into the bloodstream that isn't supposed to be there.

Aren't the video's cool? To see this. This is at Harvard, within five minutes of being exposed to these foods that the clinicians thought these people might be sensitive to. After food challenge, 22 of the 36 patients showed an immediate and dramatic mucosal response to these antigens. Increased permeability is an early biological change that often precedes the onset of autoimmune disease.

Now I've shown you a video of what permeability looks like. And that foods can trigger it. There are many things that can trigger it. We'll do another session on that. I've got a full day course that I'll be doing this year at the LDN conference, going into great detail on all of this. There's just not enough time to go into all the detail now.

Premise number five the more lipopolysaccharide or weed peptides that pass through a permeable intestine, the stronger the inflammatory response. So there's a correlation between the degree of systemic inflammation and the increase in intestinal permeability. The more permeability you have, the more systemic inflammation you have; the more systemic inflammation you have, you're pulling on the chain; the more wherever the weak link is and the chain develops.

I have a gift for all of you, and the gift is I'm giving you all 43 studies that I'm using in they're all available to you. Now, 31 of those studies were free. I got them for free, so I'm giving them to you. For the others, I'm giving you the link to the abstract so that you can read the abstract. So many of these studies that you want to learn more about and read the study here they are. All you have to do is go to my website, https://thedr.com/LDN17, and all of the studies are there for you. It's my gift to you because I want you guys to really get this. You really need to know this because it's a foundational platform of healthcare. This is so common in your practice. Every day you will find six, seven out of 10 people, when you check them, they've got elevated antibodies to their own tissue. They have an autoimmune mechanism going on. Obviously, if it's the platform for most of the degenerative diseases, including atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease, it's got to be going on in most people. So you'll have the studies here. This is what your handout will look like, the scientific references from this talk.

Premise number six. So how do you arrest pathogenic intestinal permeability? How do you arrest this process? You have to put the fire out. If, if every degenerative disease, as far as I know, every degenerative disease at the cellular level is a disease of inflammation, you have to stop the inflammation, so you have to stop throwing gasoline on the fire and then put the fire out. So how do you do that?

The first concept is a pleiotropic concept. It's a good Scrabble word. Pleiotropic it means all roads lead to Rome. You know, there are many, many ways to heal intestinal permeability and put the inflammation out in your body. There are many ways, and because certain products like glutamine, it's a great product to heal the gut. Glutamine turns on certain genes, but vitamin D turns on genes in the gut that glutamine does not. Curcumin turns on genes in the gut that vitamin D does not. And so there are many different paths to get a comprehensive treatment protocol that's going to work in the vast majority of your patients. Here's an example for curcumin. These are all the inflammatory and anti-inflammatory pathways that are impacted by taking curcumin, and I'll talk more about that in a minute. So all roads lead to Rome. A pleiotropic approach to addressing pathogenic intestinal permeability.

There are three categories to consider. First, avoid inflammatory triggers. Stop throwing gasoline on the fire. Critically important. So the question about is gluten sensitivity really limited to just celiacs or is there's this thing called non-gluten sensitivity? This is about the world of non-celiac gluten sensitivity. So in this study, this is a study that Hollon and his team at Harvard did. They took celiac patients recently diagnosed, so they had villous atrophy and lots of inflammation. They took celiac patients who were in remission at least a year on a gluten-free diet, so their microvilli had healed, and the inflammation was greatly reduced. They took people who had a problem with wheat but didn't have celiac. They refer to them as non-celiac patients with gluten sensitivity. And then they took people that didn't have a problem with wheat at all, all four groups, and they exposed them to wheat. The peptide, the clump of the pearl necklace of poorly digested wheat called gliadin, alpha-gliadin. Their conclusion: increased intestinal permeability after gliadin exposure occurs in all individuals. And one part in there, they said in all humans, so any of you that is human, every time you eat wheat, this is what happens to you irrespective of how you feel when you eat it. This is what the science tells us. Well, I don't feel bad when I wheat. It doesn't matter if you feel bad. The lucky ones are the ones that feel bad. Then if they continue to eat wheat, that's their problem to deal with. But the unlucky ones are the ones that don't feel bad when they eat wheat, because you can't feel when you tear the cheesecloth. But remember, Mrs Patient, the fastest-growing cells in the body are the inside lining of the intestines; every three to five days, you have all new lining of your gut. So you eat toast for breakfast. You tear the lining of your gut, but it heals. You eat a sandwich for lunch. You tear the lining of your gut, but it heals. You have pasta for dinner. You tear the lining of your gut, but it heals. Croutons on your salad. Tear the lining of the gut, but it heals. A cookie tears the lining of the gut. But it heals. Day in, day out, day in, day out until one day. And that can be when you're two years old, 22 years old or 92 years old. One day you cross that line. You lose oral tolerance. You don't heal anymore.  Now you get tears in the cheesecloth that don't heal. That's called pathogenic intestinal permeability. You don't feel that now the macromolecules get into the bloodstream; that now your immune system produces antibodies against those macromolecules; that now because of molecular mimicry you produce antibodies against the weak link in your chain, your thyroid, your brain, your liver, your kidney. Now you're on the autoimmune spectrum. That's how it happens.

It's so cool when you look at this science, and you realize, wow, this is so very common. This is an underlying mechanism that we can identify years in advance. And that gives you a heads up to do something different. Well, what do you do differently? Well, first stop throwing gasoline on the fire and then heal the gut. So this is the book that came out in September of last year. This is 35 years of my, professional life. But it's all about this mechanism in great, great detail. And I think everyone should read this book, not because I wrote it, but because this gives you the clear, precise, step-by-step mechanisms and what causes the primary mechanism in getting sick and dying in the world.

The immune system is attacking your own tissue. The autoimmune mechanism. Alzheimer's is autoimmune, cardiovascular diseases autoimmune, cancers are autoimmune, and all the studies are in the book with explanations on how to explain it to patients. And when you see this, you go, my God, that's profound. I make $2.10 or something on a book, so this isn't going to pay for my grandchildren's college funds. I'm not saying buy the book because of some personal benefit. I'm saying buy the book because you're really going to learn so much. Or you can take my old day course at the LDN pre-conference in September. You learn so much about this, you'll really understand it, and you can apply it in your practices.

In the book, I recommend a three-week protocol for people to give up wheat, dairy, and sugar for three weeks. And we give lots of examples of breakfast, breakfast for your kids, breakfast for the family, lunches, dinners, snacks for three weeks. And just see how you feel. Just see what happens. Cause most people can't afford or don't have access to the tests. So just do this, and you say, Oh my gosh, my headaches are gone. Oh my gosh, I'm waking up, and I've got more energy. Oh my gosh, I'm sleeping better. Oh my gosh, my child's doing better in school. They're sitting still in school. You just see a condition after condition after condition that's better after doing or during this three-week protocol. So that's a recommendation that I give to people who can't have access to the tests for one reason or another.

The second category in the pleiotropic approach to pathogenic intestinal permeability is included foods that heal intestinal permeability. The first one, of course, vegetables, and one of the benefits of the vegetables is, as you know, the microbiota work on the fibres in vegetables, insoluble fibres, to produce short-chain fatty acids like butyric acid or butyrate. Mrs Patient, the past is growing cells in the body are the inside lining of the gut. Every three to five days, you have a whole new lining to your gut. The fuel for those cells to reproduce is called butyric acid or butyrate. That is why butyric acid is so critically important. If you don't have enough butyric acid, you make your house out of straw instead of brick. And you find so many studies, just go to Google and type in butyric acid and colon cancer. And when you have low butyric acid, you're at a much higher risk of developing colon cancer because you made your house out of straw instead of brick. So you need butyric acid . How do you get butyric acid? it's the good bacteria in your gut working on the vegetable fibres that produce butyric acid.

My good friend Terry Walls, who is a brain neurophysiologist, a professor of medicine, and she developed MS, and being a brain neurophysiologist, she knew all the cutting edge techniques of how to deal with MS and they didn't work. Within seven years, she was in a wheelchair, and her brain wasn't working very well anymore, and a friend said, wake up. What you're doing isn't working. Do something else. It's not working. And she did. She went back to the basic literature, and she found studies on animals that they had induced MS-like symptoms, and they changed their diet, and the animals got better. So she changed her diet to mimic what they did for the animals. She started feeling better. So then she went to functional medicine courses, and she learned about this, and she completely reversed her MS, and she has what she's called The Walls protocol. It's a great book on how to reverse MS. And Terry, applies these principles at the VA Medical Center in Iowa, where she's associated; and she's taking these veterans who are completely disabled. They'd lost a limb, or they've got PTSD, and they can't function in life. She's taken these bedrooms, and she's completely reversing them, getting their brains working normally again, getting rid of their chronic pains.And there are a couple of things that she's doing that I'll talk about here.

The first one, they have to eat 12 cups of vegetables a day before they eat any starches, like pasta and bread and stuff. What does that mean? It's kind of hard. There's no room for pasta after 12 cups of vegetables a day. Right? But that's how she gets them to do it. You eat 12 cups of vegetables a day, five different colours, then you can have some pasta or some toast or something.

Prebiotics, originally defined as nondigestible food ingredients, had beneficially affected the host by selectively stimulating the growth and/or activity of one or a limited number of bacteria in the colon. That's what these vegetables are. Some of these vegetables are prebiotics. Here's a study demonstrated the apple derived pectin could modulate gut back microbiota. Here's a study that shows that apple pectin treatment attenuated the level of lipopolysaccharides and reduced intestinal permeability. So what they did here on the left, you see high-fat diets, how it changes the gut microbiota, and it causes more inflammation. And the change in the gut microbiota is to microbiota that induces weight gain. So you get more of the formicilis's family (as I understand the family of G. formicilic (Geriger)) of microbiota that hoard calories, survival, survival, hoard calories. So you store more calories, thus you gain weight. Plus you get the inflammation. Then when they did the same high fat diet, but they added pectin from apples, you see the benefits that occurred from that suppressing weight gain and healing tight junctions of intestinal permeability.

The next category here, or the next component of category two, is bone broth. And once again, Dr Walls with these vets, she has them drink one quart of bone broth a day, not a cup, a quart of bone broth the day. And how do these guys do it, because they don't have any money, they can't work because they're disabled. They can't afford to buy quarts of bone broth a day. They make their own. So these guys go out hunting. They harvest an animal, they make their own bone broth, and they're very proud to be so active in taking care of their own health in a way that they can relate to. They go hunting, they kill a deer, and they make bone broth.

Now about bone broth. Gelatin Tannet is in bone broth. It's a strong anti-inflammatory. Next fermented vegetables. And focus on diversity. Mrs Patient goes to the local natural foods store and buy five different types of fermented vegetables just to make sure they're not pasteurized because pasteurization kills bacteria. So get sauerkraut, get kimchi, get fermented beets, get kvass, get Italian flavoured fermented vegetables, curry flavoured fermented vegetables. Get five, six different types. Keep in the refrigerator. Every day, walk by, take one fork full of fermented vegetables. And somebody said, well, why can't they take more? They can take more. I'm happy, if they get a fork full, then they can take more. Do it twice a day. Why? Because every family of vegetables that ferment produces different species of probiotic bacteria, the good bacteria, and we now know it's not lactobacillus or bifidobacteria that are the commercial ones we've used for 20 years that change the gut microbiota. They help. But you really want the diversity of hundreds and hundreds of different species of good bacteria in your gut. And how do you inoculate for that? Eat fermented vegetables every day.

So you're changing the microbiota because if you have intestinal permeability, you've changed the microbiota to be more pathogenic. That contributes to more intestinal permeability. You take the nutrition and stuff to heal the gut, but if you still have dysbiotic gut flora, you're going to get more permeability. So you have to change the gut microbiota, and by doing the vegetables, doing the fermented vegetables, 12 cups a day, vegetables, bone broth and the fermented vegetables, you're going to change the microbiome.

Fermented foods and beverages were among the first processed food products consumed by humans. The ingestion of fermented foods potentially increases the numbers of microbes in the diet by up to 10,000 fold in one day. It doesn't take long to do this.Consumption of fermented foods may provide an indirect means of counteracting the hygienic, sanitized, Western diet and lifestyle. Many of these species found in fermented foods are either identical to or share physiological traits with species relevant to promoting GI tract health. You know, docs, so many of you just don't have time to talk about foods with your patients. That's understandable. Every office should bring on board a nutritionist or a registered dietician, or have one of your staff people trained, so that you can just prescribe what needs to be done, and the expert can sit down with the patient and walk them through how to change their lifestyle habits. They don't do it in a day by giving them a handout, you know it's going to take some time, and we talk about that in the full-day course, how to get the right people and how to train them, and all of that.

Next, the third category of the three categories, is nutrient supplementation. You want to do nutrient supply admin supplementation to address the inflammation, rebuild the microbiome and healing of the intestinal epithelial lining.

Vitamin D plays a role in the aetiology of autoimmunity. Vitamin D causes assembly of the adherence junctions. That's part of the control for intestinal permeability. Here is a drawing of the adherence junctions right there, and this is a drawing of two full cells, and on the outsides is the start of a third and fourth cell. Vitamin D plays a critical role in the mucosal barrier homeostasis by preserving the integrity of tight junction complexes and the healing capacity of the colonic epithelium. Vitamin D markedly enhances tight junctions by increasing junction protein expression at the kissing joints, and preserving the structural integrity of the tight junctions. Here's the visual, that's the tight junction strands. Here's the drawing of the whole thing. The upper left one is the one you saw previously. The letter B is a picture of a tight junction. Now when you see they blew up that tight junction in the lower-left corner, you see that it's looped the tight junction where food goes through, vitamins go through, its loot. Think of the Panama Canal. The gates open, the food comes down a little bit in between the cells, the gates close, the immune system checks it out. The next gate's open, the food goes down a little further. The gates close behind it, then another part of the immune system checks it out. The next gates open, the food goes down further, the gates close, the immune system checks it out. That's how we check out foods and things that we're being exposed to through the oral cavity coming down into the gut.

And then you see the drawings of these kissing joints. Now, that extracellular space, that's where the tight junctions are. That's the Panama Canal. You are going through that extracellular space. Now watch how much, and then on the right is the drawing of the kissing joint itself. And so you see the paracellular space, the extracellular space there on the right side of the drawing and the zonulin family of proteins are like shoelaces and the shoelaces, you untied the shoes, they open; you close, or you tie the shoelaces, they close the gates, open the gates, close. Now watch how much of this is controlled by vitamin D. All of those are controlled by Vitamin D. Vitamin D controls the gate opening the gate closing, the shoelaces opening the shoelaces closing, all controlled by Vitamin D.

Here are some recommended protocols that you can review. There are three main mechanisms of how probiotics contribute to human health. They shape the ecosystem by a competition for the resources and the adhesion sites. They decrease the local pH, and they produce specific antibacterial substances.

Probiotic strains can not only affect the intestinal microbiota directly, but also affect other organs by modulating the intestinal inflammation and permeability. Changes in gut microbiota modulator. Endotoxemia. By a mechanism that affects gut barrier function and increases intestinal permeability. Look at the journal diabetes metabolism that this is a critical, critical component of dealing with diabetics, is having a healthy gut and closing the intestinal permeability and rebuilding the microbiota.

Our findings that the human gut microbiome can rapidly switch between herbivores and carnivores. Functional profiles may reflect past selective pressures during human evolution. Consumption of animal foods by our ancestors were probably by little, depending on the season and forging success with readily available plant foods, offering a fallback source.

So that's why you eat meat. You change your microbiome in one day. Not saying it's bad, not saying it's good, just know it changes the microbiome. So you have to see what type of microbiome you have to determine what kind of foods you should be emphasizing more. We found that microbiota changes on the animal-based diet could be linked to altered faecal bile acid profiles and the potential for human enteric disease.

VSL Number 3 is a type of probiotic that you can use. There are some really good studies on SL Number 3, and its multi-species. You always want to go through varied species, not just take one type of probiotic, but the key is diversity.

Here are some recommendations on dosing. Fish oils exert much of their anti-inflammatory benefit by suppressing NF Kappa B, which is the major amplifier of inflammation in the body. The safety of fish oils is high, has been well established in numerous clinical studies. Drug interactions are extremely rare. A dose of up to three grams a day has been determined to be safe for general consumption.

Here are some dosing recommendations. Glutamine is the most commonly used amino acid in the gut. In a study giving 30 grams a day, every ulcerative colitis patient got better. It didn't matter how bad they were, even the really severe ones, but when they stopped the glutamine, the disease came back. And why is that? Well, it 's because the lifestyle was still throwing gasoline on the fire, and they didn't heal the gut, and they still have the microbiome of the altered lifestyle. You can't just give a pill and expect to heal the gut. We have to change the environment, the ecosystem of the gut. Glutamine is a very clinical, useful, useful tool. But it's also a substrate for lymphocytes and macrophages. So you gotta be careful, Mrs Patient. I give people, I call it the gluten sensitivity packs. There are six pills in a pack. MrsPatient, can you take one pack a day? Yes, they can. And so, okay, now if you have any reaction to the pack, you get a little bloated, you get a little cramping, anything like that, just stop that one pill. And that's the glutamine. Just keep them in a little container. Wait two weeks, take everything else to calm down the inflammation, and then you're going to be fine. Then you can take them again, because glutamine is a precursor for lymphocytes and macrophages.

Here are some recommendations. Tumeric is remarkable in its benefits. Tumeric is anti-amyloid. Orogenic. It's neuroprotective. It enhances cognition. It's a diagnostic marker. It's an antioxidant. It's an anti-inflammatory. Here are the dosings on all of these different studies. Just depending on what you're dealing with and what your target is that you know you, you can be aggressive with a tumour. It's extremely safe. And here, once again, are all the pathways. Inflammatory and anti-inflammatory pathways that are modulating to produce an anti-inflammatory effect. Here are all of the diseases that there are studies showing curcumin is of great benefit for, and how many of them are autoimmune.

Recommended protocols. Colostrum. High intestinal permeability is normal in newborns. Their guts are very permeable. That's one of the main purposes of colostrum. The first three days of mother's milk is not breast milk. It's colostrum, and one of the main purposes immediately is to turn on the genes in the gut. Say okay, baby, let's close these tight junctions now. Come on. Let's get these cells going. Close these tight junctions. Colostrum also says, all right, let's build the receptors for this good bacteria. Let's start colonizing this good bacteria that you just got washed through as you came down the birth canal. Let's start building these receptor sites. So colostrum helps to set up the environment of the gut for a healthy, well-functioning gut. It also promotes recolonization of the bowel by the friendly bacteria. It's the best remedy known for all-around gut help. Restores leaky gut to normal permeability, contains growth factors and hormones to repair damage to the lining and restore gut integrity. It's unmatched as an immune system stimulator and modulator. There are numerous note products lining the shelves of natural food stores that claim to stimulate the immune system. Only colostrum plays the entire symphony. Colostrum.

If there was only one product I was going to use, it would be this, and it would be this colostrum, produced by the author of this book, Andrew Keech. Dr Keech grew up on a dairy farm in New Zealand. He learned really early in life that you have to give these newborn calves colostrum, or they die in a week. They die. And he then learned that the humans, when they were sick, they drank the colostrum, they got better. So he decided he's going to devote his life to colostrum. So he went to Oxford and got a PhD in mechanical engineering, and I said to him, Andrew high five to you, high five Oxford PhD, way to go, man, way to go, but mechanical engineering, what is that? And he said, well, Tom, I knew I was going to make the best colostrum in the world, and no one is doing it. So I was going to have to learn how to build the equipment to do it. So he spent eight years getting a PhD in mechanical engineering to build the equipment to produce the best colostrum in the world—grass-fed antibiotic-free, hormone-free. Every batch is checked when it comes in, every batch, every time. It's the most powerful product that I know of. It's on my website. You'll see it there. My website is TheDr.com. The product is called GI Restore. It's really quite remarkable.

The two key developmental time points of the regulation of gastrointestinal tract help occur postnatally, the first few days after birth, when all the gut digestive functions are launched by first colostrum ingestion; and then the second when weaning, when the digestive system has to modify its function following a switch from mother's milk to solid food. Two critical developmental time points. The first time point is particularly relevant for all mammalian species since it's associated with a complex of dynamic changes in the gastrointestinal tract structure and function, leading to a temporary drop in gut permeability barrier. So when the guts on fire, the body's on fire. This is a protocol that will work for you. Eliminate inflammatory foods. Give prebiotics, give fermented foods, give probiotics, give Vitamin D, give glutamine, give fish oils, curcumin, colostrum; and I want to note there are many other beneficial anti-inflammatories that can be used to heal the gut, reduce inflammation. There are many. I'm not saying these are the best. These are just well referenced in the literature, and it's a safe protocol that everyone can do, and you'll get dramatic results when you do this.

So what did we talk about here in this little over an hour? Just how prevalent is the development of autoimmune disease. If the cardiovascular disease has an autoimmune component, what becomes the number one mechanism? That's how prevalent it is. Premise number two, how can we identify people at risk for the development of autoimmune disease? You do the test, and you find out. Number three, what is the trigger? in the production of antibodies to self. The addition of the third element, the loss of intestinal barrier function. Number four, can foods trigger pathogenic intestinal permeability? Yes, they can. Number five, the more LPs or wheat peptides that pass through a permeable intestine, the stronger the inflammatory response. Number six, how do we address pathogenic intestinal permeability?

Once again, we have a full day course. We'll be doing it as a pre-conference workshop in Portland in September. We guide you on all of the testing, the supplements. How do you diagnosis, how do you think about this? How do you talk to patients about it? You can find out more on the LDN Research Trust website about this. We also offer the online, you can do the course online, but I think it's better in person. You get all of my, visuals and my emphasis when it's live. For those of you that don't know, we did Betrayal, the Autoimmune Disease Solution. It aired in November and we're going to be launching it again in the very near future. I think by the time you're watching this, it will be launched again. You can find it at betrayalseries.com. I interviewed 85 of the world's leaders in autoimmunity, and the scientists, and then clinicians applying the scientist's principles, and then the patients who went through the protocols recommended by the clinicians. For example, Linda, talking about LDN, and it's really quite remarkable. And if you go to betrayalseries.com, you can find out more about that.

So take care of yourselves. Hope you have a wonderful time in Portland. Make sure to tell those important to you how much you love them.

And this is the last slide, a very good book to read about genetics The last paragraph in this book, throughout your life, the most profound influences on your health, vitality, and function are not the doctors you visit or the drugs or the surgery, the therapies you've done. The most profound influences are the cumulative effects of the decisions you make about your diet and lifestyle on the expression of your genes.

And with that, I would say thank you very much for your kind attention.

Linda Elsegood: Thank you for listening to this presentation. All past conference presentations can be found on our website, www.ldnresearchtrust.org.

 

Thyroid Autoimmunity: Causal Relationships & Novel Therapeutics (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Links between growth hormones, sex hormones and the thyroid gland; their effects on sexuality, musculoskeletal function and immunity. Gut repair protocol. Positive effects of LDN, including in diabetes.

Let's begin with a cursory review of auto-immunity. Of course, many of us here understand all of this, but let's go through it as it specifically relates to thyroid. Thyroid autoimmunity begins with some form of environmental trigger. One good example is an antigen from food allergies, and we've been hearing a lot about that this weekend. An APC, or an antigen presenting cell, presents the antigen to a CD4 cell, and the cascade we see here is triggered. So classically, we believe Hasimoto's to be TH1 dominant. But this graphic, modified from an article published in 2002 in Nature Reviews Immunology, proposed that autoimmune hypothyroidism, or Hasimoto's thyroiditis, results from both B cell and T cell activation, which could be both TH1 or TH2 dominant. Both mechanisms are generally occurring. I think that's important. However, they do propose that for autoimmune hyperthyroidism, or Graves' disease, it’s largely B-cell and TH2 dominant.

We also have to appreciate the classic TH1 versus TH2 models being challenged. There are other discovered classes: we've got a less known TH3, there's another one called TH17 with its own chemotactic components which LDN has been proposed to influence and to modulate. The excellent thing about LDN is its ability to influence both TH1 and TH2 and TH2 dominance over other immune classes, due to overall immune modulation. This would be particularly important in Hashimoto's, as it seems to be both TH1 and TH2, and or some other immune class known or unknown. So again, immune modulation is the key to be achieved through all these multiple therapeutic vectors.

We've got four therapies here to consider, to create and reestablish immune modulation. There are others of course, as we all know, but these tend to be the most direct routes, at least for us at our clinic. So of course, LDN, as I just stated, one of the great things about LDN to wield as a therapeutic tool is this ability to sort of modulate the immune system. It's clinically forgiving, and the patient benefits. Also, the use of thyroid hormone product that contains both T4 and active T3. My particular practice focuses on comprehensive hormone replacement therapy that considers estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, cortisol, insulin, growth hormone. We know that estrogen, progesterone and cortisol tend to increase TH1, whereas testosterone, DHA, and androgens tend to influence an increase TH2. The balance of course is important. The consideration of all these hormones comprehensively will provide optimal immune modulation. And finally, the gut. We've been hearing a lot about that this weekend. We know that the gut is associated with immunity, and its dysfunctions related to opportunistic infections, food sensitivities, dysbiosis, and autoimmunity in general.

We've been tracking observational internal data on LDN and thyroid antibodies for the past about two years, the best we could in a very busy practice. Since Hashimoto's is far more common than Graves' disease, we placed our focus on Hashimoto's. We presented a total of 53 patients; they're replaced in two categories: LDN-only, and LDN with a gut repair treatment protocol. It's really important to note that the LDN-only group is also receiving comprehensive thyroid nutritional hormonal support - please don't think that it's just that. We deal with things very comprehensively in general, but what I'm trying to say is that there's a difference between the LDN-only group versus the people who were also on some kind of specific gut repair protocol that I'll explain in the next slide.

We simply calculated the average thyroid peroxidase antibodies and the average thyroglobulin antibodies, then we calculated the average values of each after a length of treatment. You can see the average there. We've got far more patients in our practice on LDN than this sample here, but we only included patients who had at least one follow-up lab to show a calculable difference in their antibodies, so we excluded some out. The LDN-only group of 39 patients with an average treatment time of about 13 months, showed a very significant antibody drop, particularly in anti-TPO, which is of course the most common autoantibody, but of course we always check both. Beginning average antibodies on gut repair patients was much higher and the change was also less significant. This is consistent with the general observation that significant gut compromise is related to autoimmunity; and as we'll see later, that compliance to gut modifications is significant.

The patients who chose to do the gut protocol in general had the most obvious outright symptoms of gastrointestinal distress, hence motivating them to want to do the testing and follow through with the diet and the supplement commitment. So again, compliance. We can see that the decrease in thyroid antibodies in the LDN plus gut repair group was not as significant as the LDN-only group. This could be due to compliance and adherence to the gut treatment protocol, and the very small sample size of only 14 patients versus the 39.

So why did we do this? Why did we track this? What was the motivation? One, we want to make sure that we're incorporating a treatment strategy that was indeed effective at lowering antibodies. We wanted to see. Two, at least to my knowledge, there's little direct evidence and research about the use of LDN and its specific effects on thyroid antibodies, at least by what I could find If I am wrong about that, I encourage someone to let me know at the end of this presentation. Then three, because I'm a dork and I genuinely like to play this game and I like to crunch the numbers and see what we can find. We seek to add to the body of knowledge about LDN, however humble and modest this observation and methods are. It is our hope that other prescribers of LDN do the same as we have, or at least inspire the call to other researchers to provide in-depth analysis and results about LDN specific to thyroid autoimmunity.

Here's the gut repair protocol, a little bit of detail. We start off with a serum analysis of IgG reactivity to 154 different foods. It's a standard industry test. For those with high suspicion of wheat and/or gluten activity, we'll add a different test as well. And that'll include glutenin, gliadin, and what I think is very important, non-wheat, protein fractions as well. All patients in our sample had at least 11+ foods that they were reactive to. That could have been wheat, gluten, or the other foods. They were then instructed to follow a diet that of course removes these foods, and they have to do that for at least 90 days. Our gut repair protocol can, of course, go longer, but we start them off with a three-month process. During that 90-day restriction, they follow the supplement regimen designed to repair and restore gastrointestinal integrity and function. You can see the gut cocktail here. This is a simple, relatively taste neutral beverage, and includes glutamine, fructooligosaccharides, Acacia senegal, and n-acetyl-d-glucosamine, the classic herbs slippery elm in a powder form, and good old aloe vera juice. They can mix this in water, or a juice of their choice. It's consumed twice daily. We also use a professional strength, broad spectrum probiotic. We start off with a loading phase of 300 billion times 10 days, and then we go to 100 billion daily for about two months after that, and then about 30 billion as maintenance after that. Finally, we used a dual phase digestive enzyme formula that includes hydrochloric acid, pepsin, et cetera, as you can see here.

Let's do a quick couple of case reviews here. Here's a great example of a patient from our sample who was prescribed LDN and diagnosed with leaky gut, and placed on our gut protocol. He presented with a strong history of irritable bowel syndrome diagnosed when he was very young. He goes through the normal testing. He had several loose bowel movements when he first presented, including uncomplicated hemorrhoids with some occult blood. He was routinely screened by a gastrointestinal specialist. His thyroid antibodies are elevated. He also presented as hypogonadal, and he was only 28. Aside from the gut repair protocol, he was prescribed natural desiccated thyroid, and of course LDN 4.5 mg. He was really compliant for those first six months. Stools largely normalized, and his hemorrhoids improved. He got better and you can see his antibodies really got better as well, lowered drastically. Because he improved and it was part of the typical 90-day protocol, he was less compliant. A lot of times once patients get better, they start to slip a little bit, as we know, and you can see that his antibodies slipped, but he was still on the LDN, but his antibodies went back up a little bit. So this is an example of how important comprehensive care is when treating thyroid autoimmunity or any autoimmunity. The food sensitivities and gut permeability are not always fully corrected after 90 days. Sometimes we have to continue to go much longer.

Now to speak to his hypogonadism, I recently presented in London at the International Congress on Naturopathic Medicine, and my presentation was on the global decline of testosterone and sperm in men. I presented research regarding all of this and what I had found, and it was only maybe about three weeks after that presentation that another large landmark study came out of Jerusalem that did really, in fact, confirm that sperm is lowering in men. Okay. Part of that presentation was the causal relationships for lowering testosterone and sperm, and what the functional medicine practitioner can do to help. There are all kinds of reasons for this decline, but we think of diet and toxin exposure, gut compromise, and maybe even autoimmune thyroid disease. And maybe that's relevant to this example. So, in this patient, a change in diet and improvement, all of this, it actually helped with his testosterone. It's also important to mention that he and his wife were trying to get pregnant for about a year before he came to see us. And they got pregnant. So coincidence? I don't know, maybe, maybe not.

Here's another example from our sample. This was a 37-year-old female with high expression of autoimmunity, in an LDN-only group because she didn't do anything significant with her diet. She had other things going on: vitiligo, vaginal lichen sclerosis; and we discovered Hashimoto's. Interestingly, she had already known about that to some degree. They had seen serum elevated antibodies, but her conventional doctor said, well, there's nothing really you should do about that. I think we've seen some evidence here this weekend that it is important to preemptively work with someone who has that, despite what they may or may not be presenting with clinically. This patient also had low testosterone and suppressed estradiol production from oral contraceptive use. Oral contraceptives suppress ovarian function, it’s just what they do. It also can lead to gut dysbiosis, nutritional deficiencies, particularly magnesium. I gave her a low dose estradiol, optimal testosterone using subcutaneous pellets, something we focus on, and a plan to slowly wean off of her oral contraceptives. She was also placed on a nutritional regimen, of course desiccated thyroid, and of course LDN 4.5 mg. When she returned, you can see it was pretty straight forward. In a relative very short period of time, about five months, her antibodies lowered, her symptoms drastically improved. She had less headaches, which was another big concern when she first came in to see me. She's off the birth control pill, and we were able to just get her off the estrogen. She just didn't need the estradiol anymore; but she maintained the testosterone - she liked the libido from that, so we maintained that.

Why did her antibodies lower? In this case it could be several variables. It could be just getting off of the oral contraceptives, it could be the use of the natural desiccated thyroid, the normalizing of her sex hormones, all of which have immune modulating effects in and of themselves. Or, at least these could be obstacles to cure, something we say in naturopathic medicine. But of course, it could just be the LDN.

We’re here at an LDN conference. We've gathered under the basic premise that we believe LDN is worth prescribing. I certainly do, but I'm seeing changes with its use in my patients. I'm not a fan of the statement that science is settled. I think it makes us intellectually sluggish. So I think we should continue to look deeper for the sake of our patients.

A final case review, another example from our sample, technically in the LDN-only group, but who did make specific diet changes I'll explain here. This is a 56-year-old menopausal female. A large percentage of our patients would fall into this demographic. She's on desiccated thyroid, estradiol, testosterone subcutaneous pellets with oral opposing progesterone. Her initial anti-TPO was 2315. It rose up a little bit after that. At that point, she got a little more motivated to get on the LDN. We gave her that, and you can see that it started to lower.

Hashimoto's presents with these flares. You can have up and down of the antibody response anyway. But about six months later, on July 8th, 2016, we discovered mild insulin resistance and suboptimal glucose; hemoglobin A1C, insulin, homocysteine levels, all being suboptimal. At that point, I'd given her 500 mg tid of Metformin, and a proprietary palladium alpha lipoic acid mineral complex that some of you may be familiar with. Those were an injection form. I reduced her net carbs at 125. That seems to be a very reasonable and effective number, and all this of course led to getting rid of a lot of her grain-based carbohydrates as well. You can see, in a mere four months after that her anti-TPO antibodies dropped to only 74, essentially normal. This was the lowest reading she had ever had.

Was it the LDN by itself? Perhaps. I've observed that LDN very often takes several months for the full impact on thyroid antibodies to be realized, yet the idea that she avoided, or at least limited excessive carbohydrates, particularly grain-based carbohydrates, that could be part of it. Her treatment for the insulin resistance included the use of Metformin and the low carb diet. Maybe that's the reason. There is evidence that overproduction of insulin leads to B cell stimulation, possibly potentiating the TH1 pathway.

Ultimately, comprehensive strategies help the patient to realize optimal results. That should be the perspective of any functional medicine practitioner who decides to use LDN. I believe it's important to approach thyroid management in this comprehensive fashion. Tolle causam, or treat the cause. This is another tenant in naturopathic medicine that is known within the functional medicine world. I believe that the use of LDN helps us to treat that core cause, that often is autoimmunity. Another saying in naturopathic medicine is to heal the gut and the rest will follow. And this is a generalized idiom that so often is true. It's almost always an excellent place to start.

The endocrine system is one, if not the most vital system within the body. We have hormonal influences and production within the womb before we ever develop a nervous system. So dare to balance the endocrine system and you help many things with your patients, including thyroid autoimmunity. A healthy immune system is also key to managing thyroid disease. LDN proves to be one of the most effective tools in doing this, particularly when it comes to lowering an antibody response, I believe.

And finally, one of the most overlooked possibilities in thyroid hormone diagnosis and management is the clinical measurement of metabolic rates. It's something that we look at very, I believe, somewhat uniquely. And certainly of course, we look at mitochondrial function, as thyroid hormone influences mitochondrial function, second to none. If we can look at things from that perspective and correct that. even above and beyond the conventional perspective of serum analysis, then the patient realizes optimal outcomes, the patient actually gets well.

I look forward to your feedback and input on this presentation. I hope that it helps to lessen the pain of at least even one person. Thanks for your attention. Thank you.

Keywords: low dose naltrexone, LDN, thyroid, Hashimoto’s, autoimmune, antigen, TH1, TH2, Graves', immune modulation, hormone, gut, dysbiosis, thyroid peroxidase antibodies, thyroglobulin antibodies

 Presentation at the LDN 2017 Conference

Turning Down the Volume on Fibromyalgia Pain (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Cases of fibromyalgia are discussed. Using opiates and LDN for fibromyalgia pain.

Laura Dankof, MSN, ARNP, FNP-C 26th June 2019 (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Linda Elsegood: Today, my guest is Laura Dankoff, who is a functional medicine nurse practitioner, speaker, and author. She has her own practice, which is a path to health and healing. Thank you for joining us today, 

FNP Laura Dankof: Linda, thanks for having me on. I'm looking forward to this. 

Linda Elsegood: Now, we interviewed you about three years ago, and as you well know, so much can change in a period of three years. What has been happening in your practice? 

FNP Laura Dankof: Well, I've noticed in my practice over the last three to five years, that the interest and number of people seeking out LDN as a treatment option has increased. And that's certainly been mostly due to word of mouth, but also some people have actually found me through your website as well.

Many have travelled to meet with me to determine if LDN is an option for them, as they are really frustrated with their healthcare. Sometimes they are not getting answers, or perhaps feel that there's another path that they could be exploring, and they're wondering if low dose Naltrexone is an option for them. 

Linda Elsegood: And we didn't say where your practice is did we?

FNP Laura Dankof:   That is correct. My practice is located in a little town called Westcliffe, Colorado. I used to practice in Iowa for several years in internal medicine, and so I still am licensed both in Iowa and in Colorado. And, I offer virtual and in-person appointments. 

Linda Elsegood: Oh, that's very interesting. All right, so then what would you say your patient population consists of?

FNP Laura Dankof: My patient population is a lot of people with autoimmune disease, digestive issues, hormone issues---et ceteria. Quite frankly, they're generally people who have already been through the conventional healthcare system with a traditional workup, and either has been handed a laundry list of medications or been told that there is nothing wrong with them, and there's nothing that can be done.

And they, of course, are looking for answers. They don't want to settle for that conventional diagnosis and treatment. They want to figure out, with functional medicine, what the root cause is that is preventing them from feeling well. And so, this is where we start to look at lifestyle and what's happened along their life timeline.

And in the process of that, particularly people with autoimmune conditions, such as Hashimoto’s, and other conditions such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, and even severe depression, people have come to me wondering if LDN would be something that could help them.  And a lot of times I also learn from my patients, and so will look to find what research is available out there and to determine that there is no contraindication, say, for example, them being on narcotics.

Then I would tell them, it's not going to hurt us to try LDN, to see if it helps you. 

That certainly has been true with a couple of cases of severe depression that came to me.  I had never really used it in that way, and so that was one of LDNs use that kind of surprised me, that it did seem to help anecdotally, just from my experience with these patients.

 With one patient Debbie, LDN did seem to help some with her depression.  I used it in one patient with Lyme disease, a lot of cases of Hashimoto's, where we looked at and monitored their antibodies, along with other things, that can certainly contribute to Hashimoto's. You need to look at gut health, hormone balance, detoxification pathways, and a lot of other things.

So it's just not using. Low Dose Naltrexone alone. You certainly want to look at all these other things, and for people that have fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue, one of the things that I'm looking for is if they've had evidence in the past, of exposure to various viruses. That can be a possible indication of one of many contributing factors to their condition.

 For these patients, I may try anti-virials on them.  If that doesn't work, we move on to Low Dose Naltrexone, and for some, I do a phenomenal type of response to it, and I'm always amazed by this result.

Linda Elsegood: Well, it's interesting because there are so many people with autoimmune diseases that suffer from depression.

I always think if you took a healthy person who never had depression, and gave them all the symptoms and the quality of life that some of these people have, you're going to feel depressed by having to cope day after day with these symptoms. So for the people that are listening at home, who might be feeling hopeful that their depression can be helped, in several different ways, what is the first thing that you do if somebody comes to you suffering from depression? 

FNP Laura Dankof: So there are a few things that I'll do. First, I want to get an extensive history on them. Things like, does depression run in the family? What emotional or physical traumas have they had? What's their nutrition like?

Though many people do not know this, gut health is so important to our mental health. So if we don't have a healthy gut, we're not going to have a healthy brain. I may also do a few genetic tests on them looking for MTHFR, and other gene mutations and deficiencies.  The reason for this type of testing is that those mutations and deficiencies can play a role in how people process their nutrients, particularly like folate.  We need to take a really comprehensive look at things.

We also need to know what things have they previously tried that did not work.  And from that, you really need to take a thorough history from each patient and make sure you've ruled the possible contributing factors to their depression, and then decide the suitable treatment.  We need to know if they are using natural herbal remedies in combination with Low Dose Naltrexone, or in combination with their prescription medicine.

I would never just pull anybody off a prescription antidepressant if they are on one, but I may add Low Dose Naltrexone or other nutrients, and nutrients such as B12 and folate and things like that if needed to, but would cross that bridge at that time, and see if that's an opportunity to work in conjunction with those things.

I may be that they will be able to wean down to a lower dose or even off of these medications? So you basically just have to take an individualized approach in each case. 

Linda Elsegood: And how long would it take if somebody came to you that had been suffering from depression for quite a while, and we're currently not taking any medication, for you to do all the testing and begin implementing a treatment plan, such as herb's and supplements, LDN, whatever, before they could start to feel an improvement?

FNP Laura Dankof:  First, I would do the evaluation and workup, and then I’d certainly look at their hormones, gut health and test for the MTHFR gene.  Then after I get results, I will create a treatment plan based on my experience in the few cases of depression that I've had, and see if they maybe want to try that.  In my experience, patients see a difference within the first month of taking it.   Now, I know in some cases, with other conditions, you need to give them a longer time, but generally speaking, when I'm seeing them back in a month, they're starting to notice a difference. Well, then they're excited about it. 

Linda Elsegood: Yeah, I bet. You know, there are people that think if you start LDN, by the end of the first week, you're going to feel better. But anything takes time, doesn't it? And you have to be patient. What dose do you normally start your patients on?

FNP Laura Dankof: I will start them on anywhere from 1.25 to 2.5 milligrams of compounded LDN.  If a patient tells me that they're very sensitive to things I will adjust the dose.   I had one person one time that was concerned about that, and we started her a little bit lower. The maximum is usually around 4.5 milligrams.  I would say that the average range is 3 milligrams of LDN.  I maybe have a few higher, a few lower, but I'd say the majority seem to have best results in the 3-milligram range.

Linda Elsegood:  Oh Okay. And what age range are your patients? 

FNP Laura Dankof: Previously to starting the path to my health and healing practice, I was working in internal medicine. So I would see people generally age 18, you know, on up to the end of life. But I would say people that were generally seeking LDN and other treatments for their autoimmune would be anywhere from age 20 to the mid-fifties.

Linda Elsegood:  Oh okay. And what about now in your new practice, will you do any consultations for children? 

FNP Laura Dankof: Yes. I am trained as a functional medicine nurse practitioner and family nurse practitioner, so I can see the whole life span. So I do see some children as well.  

Linda Elsegood: And what's your experience with LDN in children?

FNP Laura Dankof: I have not used LDN on children yet. I'd say the youngest patient that I have used LDN on was around 17, and that was prior to starting my current practice. So I have not started any children on it in my practice as of yet, not I wouldn’t consider it.

Linda Elsegood: Exactly, that's what I was going to ask. If there was anybody there with a child, close to you, would you be able to do it for them?  So that's very good. Okay. So what about pain? Have you noticed LDN has been a good source of helping with pain? 

FNP Laura Dankof: Yes, it can be.  I would probably say that my greatest experience using it for pain, would it be in helping people with fibromyalgia and their pain symptoms? But certainly, as we know, we must not use somebody on a narcotic. I've had some people come in and asked me to prescribe it, and they were on a narcotic, and I said, well, you've got to be weaned off that first before we can start that. I don't want him to have any kind of withdrawal symptoms, so you just have to be careful about that.

But otherwise, I'd say my primary experience with chronic pain symptoms, is in patients with fibromyalgia.  

Linda Elsegood: And have you seen any people with skin conditions that you've used LDN on? 

FNP Laura Dankof: No, not that I can recall right now. I think I maybe had one gal that had idiopathic urticaria, which is an itchy skin condition. And what I would say there is that a lot of times when somebody comes in with a skin condition, I'm looking at their gut microbiome, and they may have small intestinal bacteria overgrowth.  I know LDN can potentially help in that way as well to help support the immune system, so I have prescribed it for that. So yes, if we're looking at skin conditions, a lot of times those conditions can relate back to a digestive condition so then we may use LDN in that way.   

Linda Elsegood: Yes, I mean, there were a lot of people who use LDN for psoriasis, with very good results, but that isn't a quick fix either.  I've had people tell me that their skin has stayed just as flaky and patchy for six months, and then they start to have fresh skin appearing, and all the scaly bits go, which is just totally amazing. But it is very hard if you've been taking LDN for months and you haven't seen any benefits. It must be hard to continue having faith that it's going to do something for you when you've been taking it long-term.

FNP Laura Dankof: Yes, and I would say that what I generally tell people is that I recommend they stick with it for six to nine months, to see if they begin to see some benefit if they aren't somebody that responds quickly. And I would say the majority of people; they do want to stick with it because they have kind of come up empty-handed from other directions.

And this is—an avenue of hope for them, to see if this is something that will help them. 

Linda Elsegood: Hmm. And it must be very satisfying to be a nurse practitioner where people have been to so many other doctors, nurses, whoever can prescribe for them and have come up with nothing. You know, to actually be able to help these patients, you must get quite a buzz from it.

FNP Laura Dankof: It's very rewarding and humbling as well. You know, as a functional practitioner; you really care about helping people. And of course, trying to get them the answers that they deserve and that they're looking for, I don't take that mission lightly at all.

And I try to do my best to try to help them in any way that I can, and as naturally as possible, to support their bodies in a healthy way.  Certainly, LDN is just one of the tools in my toolbox to do that, and I will forever be grateful to the first person that brought LDN to my awareness, who is no longer with us.

She was a woman with stage four breast cancer, who came to me asking me if I would prescribe it. At that time, this was many years ago, I didn't know anything about it. And I thought, well, I need to look more into this. And so, had it not been for her, I might not have ever known the benefits of LDN and what it can do, and to see how many people have benefited from it, 

Linda Elsegood:  It's really so rewarding to hear that you are able to listen to one of your patients. It’s “kudos to you” for listening to your patient. You know, there are so many doctors that are so busy. I'm sure patients always recommend different things they would like to try, but doctors don't always listen and act upon what the patient says, so that's really good. 

FNP Laura Dankof: Oh, thanks. I think 90% of figuring out what's going on with the patient is listening. If there's something we don't know about, that doesn't mean it's not true and doesn't have value, and it's up to us to hear them, and for us to look into what they're saying, and see if there is merit and value in what they're bringing.  This day and age, with the internet, people are searching everywhere, so it's up to us to try to figure out and decipher what is relevant or not. 

Linda Elsegood:  Yes. So here in England, the doctors have 10 minutes per patient, and that includes getting up from the waiting room, walking into the doctor's exam room, and coming out.  So if you've got somebody who has an autoimmune disease which has a myriad of different symptoms, what can the doctor actually achieve in 10 minutes?

I mean, 10 minutes is nothing, is it?

FNP Laura Dankof: Very little. That's why quite frankly, many of us that have worked in the conventional medical setting, know that the healthcare system is broken, and you cannot begin to figure out anything and listen to a patient in that amount of time. So it's like, what are your top symptoms, and how are we going to either run a lab or give you a medication in that short amount of time and out the door?

I've never. I've never practiced that way.  I've just kind of bucked the system a little bit, I guess, and kind of flew under the radar. And now, now that I have my own practice, as many functional practitioners do, I don't take insurance because it dictates too much of that. And it allows me to spend a lot more time with patients as well.

You know, my initial visit with a patient is going to be 90 minutes. And follow-ups, depending on the situation, could be 30 to 60 minutes or more. So, that's the beauty of having your own practice and don't take insurance. And that's why a lot of functional practitioners don't, because it dictates those very things about the volume of patients you need to be seen in a day.

Linda Elsegood: Well, that's pretty good. So you really work it out and give the patient the amount of time that you feel they need. 

FNP Laura Dankof: Absolutely, because I always worry if I don't give them the time to tell their story, what am I missing, and are we going to go down the right path with their healthcare if I don't hear their journey there?  You know, like what has happened to bring them to this point that they're sitting in front of me now.  And so it is important that I hear that because there are so many clues that help put the pieces of the puzzle together. 

Linda Elsegood: And how long of a waiting list do you have? 

FNP Laura Dankof: Currently people can get into my practice pretty quickly because I just started my virtual practice in the last six months. I had been working in internal medicine, large corporate healthcare system for many years prior to that. So right now, it’s pretty easy for people to get in to see me for a consultation. 

Linda Elsegood: Well, that's really exciting, isn't it? So, the telephone consultations that you give, if they need lab work done, how do you go about doing that?

FNP Laura Dankof: If they're in Iowa or Colorado where I'm licensed, we can either run it through Lab Corp with their insurance, or I use a discounted lab called Ulta Labs. The discounted lab charges a fraction of what patients would pay running their labs through LabCorp.  So, if you have a high insurance deductible, or it's not covered, you're better off going through a discount lab. And if they are in another state other than Iowa or Colorado, we can use Alto labs where they can do some testing. They can even order it themselves.  If they need a prescription for LDN, I have to see them face to face once a year, if they're in a state other than Iowa or Colorado where I'm currently licensed.   They certainly could come to see me face to face, even if they live in a different state.  Otherwise, I would be talking to them more in a consulting role, I could not diagnose them in another state.

Linda Elsegood: Well, that's really interesting. So would you like to give us all your details? 

FNP Laura Dankof: Yes, of course. If people want more information, they can find me at wwwdotpathtohealthandhealing.com that's “path to health and healing.com” and there you'll find more information. I write a health blog there. You can kind of read my story, and why I'm so passionate about taking a functional or natural medicine approach to healthcare, along with the different kinds of conditions that I treat, and how to schedule an appointment or contact me directly. 

Linda Elsegood: You've got me intrigued. Now tell us why did you go down the path of functional medicine? 

Laura Dankof: Okay. So for many people who go into functional medicine, there was a health crisis in them or a family member, and that was certainly true in my case.  I had a daughter born with a hereditary blood disorder.

And she was very sick when she was young.  She ultimately had her spleen and gallbladder removed, and they put her on antibiotics for an extended period of time, which then led to skin conditions, eczema and so forth. So, I took her off the antibiotics, against medical advice, because of what it was doing to her.

And we healed her gut, and healed her body, through natural medicine, because the answer conventional medicine wise was to give her steroids and immunomodulating agents that would have increased her risk for cancer. And it was just going down a very deep, dark rabbit hole with her at a very young age.

And then on myself, I had thyroid and hormone-related issues when I was in graduate school and did not want to go down that pathway either. And so I started really diving deeper into functional medicine throughout that whole journey with her and with myself.  

Linda Elsegood:  Wow. I’m sure all your patients are really pleased, not that you had those obstacles, but that you chose to become a functional medicine nurse practitioner. It has been absolutely amazing speaking with you today Laura and I hope you continue with your practice and success, and we wish you all the best.

FNP Laura Dankof:  Well, thank you very much, and I've enjoyed talking to you again Linda.

Linda Elsegood: Okay, thank you. 

FNP Laura Dankof: Thank you. 

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Dr. Anna Cabeca - 8th May 2019 (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Dr Anna Cabeca is a board-certified gynaecologist and obstetrician from Georgia in the United States. She trained at Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia, then went on to also be boarded in integrative medicine, as well as anti-ageing and regenerative medicine. She is a pioneer for women's health, to solve the problems that so many women suffer with as a part of hormone imbalance; to do it naturally, and to regain control of our health to the best of our ability.

As many women age, muscle flexibility decreases and fascia tightens, with the result of discomfort with intercourse. In 2000 Dr Cabeca started using low dose naltrexone (LDN) in topical form for such patients, and developed a formulation of LDN, arginine, and pentoxifylline, that she calls “Joy Gel”. The vasodilators in it improve blood flow, moisture, etc.  It is applied to the pelvic floor prior to intercourse; or on a daily basis for relief from pelvic pain syndromes, vulvodynia, vestibulitis. Joy Gel includes LDN 2.5 – 3.0 mg per 0.5 ml and is measured into a syringe. A large pea or dime-sized is about 0.5 ml.

Dr Cabeca also uses LDN in capsule form for clients with difficult insomnia, typically with a very slow titer-up to 4 mg; and those with Hashimoto’s, autoimmune diseases, or suffering from toxic mould syndromes.

At around age 38, Dr Cabeca underwent menopause, looked for answers, that reversed menopause completely, and she conceived at age 41. At age 48 she and her family underwent a traumatic incident, and despite being on hormones, she became menopausal again. At that point, she tried a ketogenic diet but had side effects. She studied and hypothesizes that as protective neurotransmitters decrease with age, eg estrogen and progesterone, the ketogenic approach is not complete.  In her book The Hormone Fix, she writes about the keto greenway and the greens; adding on the alkalinizers, the high micronutrient-rich micro foods, and microgreens, like broccoli sprouts, and alfalfa sprouts; and using kale, beet greens, chard; lots of deep dark, deep leafy greens. Using the best to get the body into ketosis, thus using ketones for fuel. And checking urine to get an alkaline urine pH. She has developed a test strip to urinary pH and ketones, to help understand what’s working and what’s not.

In the book is a 10-day quick-start detox, a 21-day menu plan, chapters on stress and vaginal health and hormones, and functional testing, and quizzes, and inventories to do. She has programs and menus on her website as well. Once stabilized, clients may be able to reduce the medications they take.

In The Hormone Fix, she notes that it’s insulin, cortisol, and oxytocin are the major hormones that give the quality of life. Stress reduces oxytocin, and depression follows; healing comes through nutrition (25%) and lifestyle (75%). The book has a chapter on stress, developed through personal experiences and traumas. When cortisol’s up with stress, it lowers oxytocin; and you get into a critical phase of low cortisol and low oxytocin - and that feels like burnout.

The Hormone Fix is available from Dr Cabeca’s website: https://book.thehormonefix.com/get-the-book and that link includes a bonus offer.  The book also is available wherever books are sold – Barnes & Noble, Books-A-Million, and others; and on Amazon, where it’s #1 in menopause.

Summary from Dr. Anna Cabeca’s LDN Radio Show from 08 May 2019. Listen to the video for the show.

Keywords: LDN, low dose naltrexone, vulvodynia, vestibulitis, hormone, insomnia, Hashimoto’s, autoimmune, toxic mould, ketogenic diet, The Hormone Fix, insulin, cortisol, oxytocin

Silvia Panitch, MD - 24th April 2019 (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Dr Silvia Panitch shares her Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) experience on the LDN Radio Show with Linda Elsegood.

Dr Silvia Panitch was trained in conventional medicine, but found holistic and functional medicine to be more successful in treating her patients.

Dr Panitch explains the nuances between holistic and functional medicine, weighing up the positives of both and how both methods have helped her become more experienced and consequently able to provide better treatment for her patients. 

In this interview she explains how rapidly medicine has evolved during her career while sharing a great deal of optimism about the future of Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN).

This is a summary of Dr Silvia Panitch’s interview. Please listen to the rest of Dr Panitch’s story by clicking on the video above.

Dr Pamela Smith, MD - 6th March 2019 (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Linda Elsegood: I'm joined by Dr Pamela Smith, who is an MD from Michigan. Pamela has written ten books, and she has just released the 10th book, and the 11th book is going to be coming out next year. Thank you for joining us today  Pamela could you tell us about your new book that has just come out?

Pamela: Absolutely, and thank you so much for inviting me on the program. My new book is called "What you must know about vitamins, minerals, herbs, and more". And it really is an anthology of looking at all of these kinds of nutrients. And the whole idea is choosing the right nutrients that are right for you.

We have different sections of the book. We have vitamins as the first part of the book. So we do look at vitamins A, D, E, K, etcetera. We have a section on minerals, one on fatty acids, one on amino acids. We have section number five, which is on herbal therapies. 

Section six of the book I loving call it "other nutrients" because it covers things like Coq10.

Alpha-lipoic acid, probiotics and other things that really don't fall into a traditional category. And then part two of the book is on a health concern, meaning we actually go through different disease processes like hypothyroidism, low thyroid function: hair loss, insomnia, dry eyes, all these different things.

And we make suggestions from the medical literature: which nutrients work better for those clinical conditions.  

Linda Elsegood: So, do you test people of their minerals and vitamin levels, or do you, increase vitamins anyway for certain conditions? How does it work? 

Pamela: Well, basically, that's an excellent question.

You can do many things. You can measure 28 vitamins in someone's body. There's a test called the nutrient testing available worldwide, where literally you can measure all of those levels. You can go by eight. As long as people have normal kidney and liver function, for example, starting at the age of 50, most people make less of some of their vitamin sources.

They make less coenzyme Q10, less lipoic acid, et cetera. So you can make some generalities as well.

Linda Elsegood: Okay. So, once you decide which path you're going to take to treat a patient, what is the next step? Do you titrate them up or do you work out what would be the appropriate dose?

Pamela: Oh, my favourite way is obviously the measure.

I'm a physician. I'm a scientist. We'd like measuring people. So for example, if you measure vitamin D, vitamin D is a fat-soluble vitamin. That one should always be measured because vitamin D you can get toxic in. So we try and measure that, but we want the patient to have optimal levels and not just normal. Vitamin D is so, so, so important.

But the question is: What does perfect mean? So, when you look at vitamin D in American units, which are what is used most commonly internationally when you look at vitamin D, you want the revenue to be 55 to 80.  44 is normal, but it's not optimal. So you want that patient literally to have perfect levels because then vitamin D decreases the risk of developing breast cancer, colon cancer, Parkinson's, ms diabetes, high blood pressure, and really a number of different disease processes if you get the right amount of vitamin D. I mean, we can go through and talk about each vitamin. It is so important to have vitamin K adequate bone mineralization, so you don't get bone loss. It's very important for heart health.

It's very important for blood clotting, and so each different nutrient plays a very important role in the body. 

Linda Elsegood: You mentioned probiotics. Now I've had so many doctors tell me that when I've asked what are the top four nutrients, vitamin supplements that you would always rate highly and probiotics. It's usually maybe number one and in your book, you said that you're talking about probiotics. It's a bit of a nightmare, isn't it?  When I was looking to find out, which was the best for your money because you can pay a ridiculously high amount of money for a very good brand where you may be paying for the name as well.

But how do you assess when you are looking to buy a probiotic, which is the best one that you should be taking? How do you navigate your way around that?

Pamela: That's an extremely good question because first of all, new literature is showing for most people, not all, but the general population, we probably should rotate probiotics.  May mean that they shouldn't take them all the time, the same one. So for most people, take one really good for six months. Then the next six months alternate into another one. A good doctor has prescribed a particularly probiotic for you. Otherwise, for the general population, it's good to rotate them. Most of the really good probiotics do require refrigeration, and so we do keep them in the fridge.

I usually like to take my probiotics separately, so they're not taken with other things because sometimes nutrients interfere with that. So it's nice just to take them by themselves. 

Linda Elsegood: Okay. I didn't know that. And how do you go by the different strains. What we should be looking for?

Pamela: Well, you want a good general probiotic so that it carries a number of different things, and you also want something that's what's called pharmaceutical grade.

Nutrients come in different grades, and pharmaceutical grade means two things. Number one, it means that it's bioavailable meaning it gets into the body and does what it's supposed to do. And it is also, pharmaceutical-grade means that it's guaranteed to be 100% sure with outside verification. When you look at the idea of probiotics, you want a well-mixed probiotic for overall health because probiotics improved digestion. They help the immune system function as well, your gut, your GI tract.  70% of the immune systems is right in the gut. So the gut has to have that good bacteria and also people don't think about it, but probiotics help manufacture biotin, folic acid and niacin so that they're all in the right amounts.

So, if you asked me: Are there three things I suggest for every single patient in the world? There are.  Anybody who's an adult:

1. a probiotic

2. a multivitamin, and then 

3., it may be somewhat variable with people and depending on where they live, most people do need additional vitamin D, unless they're out sunbathing.

Okay? But the third one that everybody else needs otherwise is Omega fatty acids, otherwise known as fish oil. Most people don't get enough Omega 3's. So, I do take two fish oil tablets a day, every day, because I don't eat fish every day so it gives you really good fats.

Linda Elsegood: And there are so many people, patients, that I speak to who will tell me that they have a very good balanced diet. They don't need to supplement it at all. But as you were saying that once you reach 50, your body is lacking in certain vitamins, minerals, supplements, and is this something that you discuss in the book?

Pamela: Absolutely. It is something I discuss in the book. We look at things on what happens with age. Absolutely. There are also interesting things that happen when you combine food with medications. For example, grapefruit. I discussed this in the book. Grapefruit increases caffeine levels, and so, some people, if they eat grapefruit and they drink a cup of coffee, they're going to get nervous.

Great food also can increase the levels of different medicine like warfarin, which is a blood thinner. In fact, there's even a trial showing the grapefruit can cause hives if taken with Naprosyn, which is a nonsteroidal drug. So interestingly, even foods can have an effect on what happens in the body. And we do discuss all of this in the book.

There's a whole chapter looking at mixing supplements, drugs, and food. 

Linda Elsegood: Hmm. Well, I was mixing my probiotic with yoghurt. Is that allowed or not?

Pamela:  You should be taking it by themselves? 

Linda Elsegood: That's interesting. Very interesting. So what else do we learn in the book?

Pamela: Well in the book you're probably going to be surprised to realize that most people cannot eat their way into health. Believe it or not, in today's world, because things get genetically engineered, and we don't always replenish the ground with nutrients, almost everybody does need to take a least a multivitamin.

People tend to be surprised about that. Other things that people tend to be surprised about, and they look in the book, but there are actually many medical trials showing that if you look under health conditions, there are studies showing ways that we can all look at things to prevent cancer. There are studies showing that Chlorella taking a teaspoon a day decreases the risk of developing cancer. Not eating a lot of sugar decreases the risk of developing cancer, eating too many bad fats and salt—just some common sense things. And then again, a lot of it depends on what you're interested in. So, for example, if you're interested in the prevention of cataracts, then, believe it or not, there are medical trials showing that alpha-lipoic acid, B vitamins, bilberry, carnosine, which is an amino acid, N-acetylcysteine, glutathione, your basic vitamins,  Selenium. Those things help prevent cataracts, so a lot of it is prevention as well. It's always best to prevent the disease.

Linda Elsegood: Absolutely. You mentioned multivitamins there. And again, it's a bit like the probiotics. There are millions of different multivitamins, you know? Where do you start? What is a good multivitamin? What should you be looking for?

Pamela: You always want to look for pharmaceutical grade and a broad spectrum. And those are the two things you look for, and the trouble is that you usually if you're in my age group and you're over 60 you will only usually end up with a multivitamin where you have to take a number of them.

It's not like when you're 20, and you may just take two multivitamins in a day, that's enough. I really do have to take a number of them because you want to prevent disease and treat things. I have high triglycerides so I personally take Omega 3 fatty acids, which many studies have shown help lower triglycerides.

So, you know, my goal is that I may still have a heart attack because I inherited high triglycerides from my dad, but I'd like to be 95 when I had that heart attack and not my current age of 64. It's also important to have nutrients to keep the body going well. So, for example, the thyroid gland has to have enough iodine.

So if you'll never,  ever eat any fish, then you probably want to see your healthcare provider, have your iodine levels measured and see if you need iodine. If you're not eating your way into it.

Linda Elsegood: Oh, that's interesting.

Pamela: I think a fascinating one in the book has to do with high cholesterol. Everybody thinks high cholesterol is, I ate too much, this, that, and the other. Of course, it can be, but people don't realize that high cholesterol can be due to buy it to the deficiency.

Biotin is made in your gut. So if you've got reflux, IBS, GERD, all those things you've got, it's not healthy. You're not going to make enough biotin. You have to have carnitine. You have to have some of these nutrients in order to lower cholesterol, including vitamin C. So there's nutritional things that are important for the body but I think sometimes people don't realize So that's part of the reason why I wrote the book. I want people to have a good idea of vitamins, minerals, herbs, and more. More of a personalized approach to them, and it's called a concise guide to better health and longevity and that's what we want people to be, as healthy as they can be.

Linda Elsegood: Well, that's interesting that you talked about high cholesterol. I suffered for many years with acid reflux. My mother had a heart attack in 2000. Well, Christmas 1999, just before the New Year, and she had what they called hereditary high cholesterol, and they wanted to check me and my two daughters.  My cholesterol level was so high that I could have had a heart attack or a stroke at any time.

My eldest daughter's cholesterol level was fine. My youngest one was borderline, so they put me on a statin, and I had to see a consultant. And I said to her: " I would rather not take anything.  Ultimate diet Is something I can do so I don't have to take this statin?

And she said: "If you were to live on a glass of water and a lettuce leaf, you would still have high cholesterol." 

Pamela: Exactly. You have inherited that pattern. That is correct. 

Linda Elsegood: So I altered my diet. I have to say,  listening to doctors, Tom O'Brien. I'd stopped eating gluten and literally in days of stopping the gluten, the acid reflux stopped, and I was able to stop taking the anti-acid tablets. So that was amazing. So that's not a problem. But would I still be able to reduce that level of cholesterol naturally, or even if I have to still take the statin,  I don't care, but I would like to try and bring it down. So because the doctor had said to me, as I get older, I might have to increase the amount of starting I take, and if I can do something new and I'm 62,  I may not have to take a higher dose. Do you see what I'm trying to say? 

Pamela: I can absolutely see what you're saying. The goal is that you take the right dose of a statin drug and so side effects do go up with any drug.

The higher the dose you take. So number one, anybody taking a statin drug, they get deplete on important nutrients. Coenzyme Q 10. So they need Coq10 if you're on a Statin drug. So for you, for example, you're over the age of 50, so you need a 100 mg of CoQ10 and another 100 mg because of the Statin drug.

Are there other ways that come over cholesterol? There are pages and pages in my book. My personal favourite is bilberry. I absolutely love bilberry. Bilberry, 200 mg, twice a day is a great place to start. You can go all the way up to 500 mg,  3 times a day. Very effective to lower cholesterol, even coenzyme Q 10. Gugulipid. People may not be familiar with that one.

It's G. U. G. U. L. I. P. I. D. 50 mg,  twice a day, lowers cholesterol. Policosanol works very well for those out there. If you haven't heard of that one, it's P, O, L, I, C, O, S, A, N, O, L, 20 mg,  once a day or 10 mg, twice a day. Another one of my favourites is tocotrienols. It has a special kind of vitamin E, 400 to 800 international units a day. Very good to lower cholesterol. So, all of these can be very effective, and most of them do mix with a statin drug. Not all, but many of them do. 

Linda Elsegood: It is like a foreign language or hasn't heard of these.

Do you have to take all of those or just one or a combination? 

Pamela: For most people, I suggest starting, like for you, for example, you're on the statin drug, make sure you are on Coq10,  start a little bilberry, 200 mg,  twice a day. As long as you have normal kidney and liver function, that would be great.

Linda Elsegood: okay. Wow. This is really educational, isn't it? And it's all in the book. So people who are listening to this can follow your recommendations, and I'm sure they would get a really good idea of the guidelines of what you're suggesting now. 

Pamela: Absolutely. They'll have all of us in the book and more.

I mean, we didn't talk about amino acids. The body produces amino acids, eat your way into some of the amino acids. They're very important for memory and energy. So yes, we hope everybody picks up a copy of what you must know about vitamins, minerals, and more because there's a lot in here and it's written in bullet style format so that it's easy to read.

Linda Elsegood: Well, that's good because if you see chapters and chapters of text It's hard going, isn't it? But you can pick it up and put it down easily if it's in bullet points and it's easier to remember, I think as well. 

Pamela: I do too. I think people learn in bullet style format now because of computer systems. So it does make it easier.

Linda Elsegood: As we said, this will be the 10th book you've written. What other books have you written? What have they been about? 

Pamela: Well, I've written two books on hormones. My most recent is: " What you must know about female hormones". Let you know about women's hormones. Has done very popular.

Probably my most popular book is: " What you must know about memory loss and how you can stop it."

Linda Elsegood: And of course you're going to be a speaker at the 2019 conference in June, so we will actually get to meet you. So that's really exciting. 

Pamela: I'm very excited myself. 

Linda Elsegood: So, all the things that you talk about in the book, do they complement LDN?

Pamela: They do. They absolutely do. I have the world's best editor. She is so fabulous, and she makes sure, but they all complement each other.

Linda Elsegood: Oh, that's wonderful. And where can people buy your book? 

Pamela: People can buy my book at almost any major bookstore. You can order online from Amazon or any major outlet and online worldwide.  

Linda Elsegood: And do you have a website? 

Pamela: Actually, the website for this is going to be changed as the book is coming out because they're updating it.

So that part I'm not going to give to you because that one would be difficult, but if people can't find my book, they can always email me at faafm63@yahoo.com, and we can give you that new website as it comes up next week. 

Linda Elsegood: Fantastic! Well, absolutely amazing talking to you! But if patients want to see you, do you have a website for that?

Pamela: Yes, people can absolutely come to see me or any of my partners. And probably the easiest way of accessing that is to literally call as opposed to get on the website. But we are, if they want to be on the website and look at us, we are the Centre for Personalized Medicine. So if you type that in, then everything will come up.

If you're going to go on the web. 

Linda Elsegood: And what numbers should they call if they would like to make an appointment?

Pamela: as I'd like to make an appointment. (313) 886-4060  

Linda Elsegood: And are you, not just yourself, but your partners in the clinic there too?  Do you have a long waiting list too? Do people have to wait to see you?

Pamela: Well, our goal is there's not. I do have four partners, so I'm very blessed to have great partners that are all fellowship-trained and metabolic, an anti-ageing and functional medicine. They've all done an entire fellowship, so we hope that people will be happy seeing any of us. So we tried for there not to be a long wait.

Linda Elsegood: Well, thank you very much for joining us today and speaking about your fantastic new book. I mean, I've made so many notes here. I'll certainly be getting a copy and checking it out. 

Pamela: Good! I hope you enjoy it and I hope everybody in the audience enjoys it as well. It truly was a labour of love, but I'm very happy with how it turned out.

Linda Elsegood: Fantastic! And just where we go, you said there was another book to come out. What is that one going to be about? 

Pamela: Yes. That one is scheduled to come out November 2019, and it's called "What you must know about autoimmune diseases." But believe it or not, there are 105 autoimmune diseases. Certainly, all of them are not going to be covered in the book, but the major ones are.

There's more and more to know about autoimmune. So yes, that will be November 2019. "What you must know about autoimmune diseases."

Linda Elsegood: Well, we'll have to have you back talking about that because obviously, LDN works amazingly for autoimmune diseases. Not saying it works for everybody, but it does seem to work really well.

So that would be a really interesting topic as well. 

Pamela: I would be honoured to do that, truly.  There are three things that I do for every single patient with an autoimmune disease, and one of those is to put them on low dose naltrexone, LDN. There's not a single patient in my personal practice with any of the autoimmune diseases that is not on LDN.

Linda Elsegood: The million-dollar question that people will ask is: How long would I have to take LDN before I noticed an improvement? What would your answer to that be? 

Pamela: 30 to 90 days.

Linda Elsegood: That's amazing! So a short period of time, isn't it? 

Pamela: Yes, it is a short period of time.

Linda Elsegood: Awesome! Amazing!  Well, we have to go. We've come to the end, but thank you very much for being with us today, Dr Pamela Smith, and we'll have you back again. 

Pamela: Well, thank you so much! Everybody. have a great day! You as well have a happy rest of it, of everything because I just love this time of year and spring is about to blossom.

It's such a happy time. Thank you. Bye-bye. 

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Martha Grout, MD - 10th April 2019 (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Martha Grout, MD has an integrative medicine center in Scottsdale, Arizona, dedicated to natural treatments of cancer, Lyme disease, diabetes, metacarbolic, irritable bowel, and other chronic diseases. She endeavors to treat the whole person, body, mind, and spirit, and in searching for the root cause to patient symptoms. She has conducted much continuing education on a variety of subjects not taught in allopathic medicine.

Dr. Grout first heard about low dose naltrexone (LDN) when she moved to Arizona in 1997, and began using it on her pain patients, and those with brain function issues – adults with brain fog and confusion and early memory loss – but not yet for children. She learned that not everyone could tolerate LDN 4 mg – some could not tolerate the endorphin boost – and she had to lower the dose, and now prescribes between 1 – 4 mg LDN. She finds it boosts the immune system, but hasn’t done controlled studies on this.

New patients undergo standard and functional testing. Standard testing provides a very gross delineation of organ function long after they have been functionally incompetent. She tries to get patients before they get to that point. For functional testing, she uses labs like Genova diagnostics and Doctor's Data International, Hygenics, and DNA Connections and several labs like that that do more specialty testing, particularly for immune system dysfunction. Thyroid testing is an example, where patients have symptoms of low functioning thyroid but normal conventional test results. So she looks for other means, and in such patients LDN is helpful.

Linda Elsegood asked about unraveling all the issues that a Lyme disease patient has getting a diagnosis, being told it’s all in their head, and how Dr. Grout treats it. Dr. Grout responded that first is to get adequate testing, typically not through conventional testing. Many that have had Lyme infection or any of the varieties of co-infections, have been sick for a long time, and many are also nutritionally depleted, their brain and immune system aren’t working well. Often they have such gut dysfunction and microbiome dysfunction or abnormality that they can't even absorb nutrients very well through the gut, so IV nutritional therapies help get them filled faster so they can begin to function better faster. She also uses IV antibiotics if they can’t take them orally; but orally they take longer to reach the effectiveness of IV therapy. They promote healthy probitics and healthy diets - non genetically modified, basically organic when possible.

As to IV antibiotics, Dr. Grout relates that they may be needed for a long period of time, and relates Katie’s story (video on Dr. Grout’s website). Katie was on IV antibiotics for 18 months virtually every day. This is an unusual case, but she has had no relapse. Other people require much less.

Dr. Grout wrote a book with Mary Budinger, An Alphabet of Good Health in a Sick World, using a lot of information from her website. The book is available on Amazon, and through Dr. Grout’s office, and she’s happy to inscribe it. The book is about nutritional status being paramount. It's when our nutrition goes off the rails that things start to go south and it can take many years depending on where we started out. If our mothers were healthy, we started out with a better base. If our mothers ate junk food, then we started out with a less good base, and it probably won't take us as long to get sick.

A person low in vitamins may feel fatigued, without energy, have poor memory, and sometimes insomnia. Testing for vitamins is done through Genova Diagnostics, using both urine and blood, and measures functional levels of vitamins, fatty acids, and chemicals that are produced by the gut. It measures if there is an unhealthy gut, if there are products of protein in the stool, or if there are markers for unusual and unhealthy organisms in the blood. So long as the patient is doing well the test is not repeated; and it’s quite expensive, but a useful test.

Summary from Dr. Martha Grout’s LDN Radio Show from 10 April 2019. Listen to the video for the show.

Keywords: LDN, low dose naltrexone, brain fog, early memory loss, pain, endorphin vitamins, nutrition, integrative medicine, Lyme disease, thyroid, microbiome

Dr Harpal Bains talks about Low Dose Naltrexone and her new clinic (LDN, low dose naltrexone) from LDN Research Trust on Vimeo.

Linda Elsegood: I'd like to welcome back Dr Harpal Banes from the Harpal clinic in London. Thank you for joining us today. Harpel. 

Harpal Bains: Thank you. Is it lovely to come back again. 

Linda Elsegood: So I know that you've been doing lots of amazing things and you're opening a new practice.

Harpal Bains: Yes, about three times the size of our current ones, so it's very exciting. 

Linda Elsegood: Wow. So what would you be doing in this new practice? 

Harpal Bains: Basically it's off the feedback that I've been getting from a lot of my patients. We get a lot of very chronically ill patients, including cancer patients and the rest of them.

And we find that a lot of them were coming asking or talking about things like hyperbaric oxygen chambers and infrared saunas for detox of a heavy metal detoxing and cryo chambers and the rest of it. And I started getting more and more interested. And then when you go to a lot of these conferences, especially within the functional medicine world, you see a lot of these all around, and the idea came to my head that what if I had a premises that were big enough to house all of these things? Because it's not really a case of one size fits all. You'll find someone saying that cryo is the best, don't even bother with the rest because that's the best.

And another person will say the same thing about the sonars. And so I don't think there's a one size fits all. However, I do believe all of them help in different ways, in some cases, and they actually help towards the same end in some cases. And so why not just have it all within the same place? The difference being is that here, I would have taken the trouble and done the homework so that I know the machines that I have are amongst the best.

Out there within what we can get in the UK and therefore they don't have to run around and try to figure out, is this inferior? Is it on the right one? Is it radiating EMS, rays?  Is that cryo cold enough or is it one of those, you know, so the idea is basically if we have someplace that is trusted and that they can use all of them at the same time, that'll be great. And so in terms of how we intend to move forward with that is once I get all these things and us, we thought that maybe one good way of going about it is to do it on a subscription basis where you could actually use any one of these machines within the same subscription, for the month or that part.

We have yet to completely identify how to do it. But I think that's really the best way forward. So, someone who decides to come in, they will be able to try each one of the machines and I suspect there'll be one machine, that they will prefer more than another, or they might find that they work in different ways and to actually have a one-stop centre I don't think any exists in the UK at the moment, so it's quite exciting. But we need big enough premises for that. And we found one.

Linda Elsegood: Wow, that's, that is truly amazing. And we interviewed your brother a few weeks ago, and he's working alongside you now. What would you say are the main conditions that you're treating. 

Harpal Bains: Within a setup that we want, initially as I would have mentioned before I started out with wellness medicine for someone who's fairly well, but feeling the signs of ageing and wants to maintain it for as long as they can.

That's how we started out. However, what we found was that we were getting people who want at home once, and we're starting to, and they were ill. And before I know it, all I'm seeing is chronic—diseases, autoimmune and the rest of it. And for me, that's of course, extremely interesting. And therefore it has been guided by my patients in a way, by what they feel they want.

The demand has been created by our patient population. So anything that's a chronic disease, it comes to the point where it doesn’t really make a difference what it is for me that they come in with, most likely that something we can do for them because most of it sort of have a similar basis and for us, because we see so many different types of cases, I can start to see patterns very easily as can my brother, which for the person and they go it, they can't. Or with someone who doesn't have that level of experience, it will be harder. So it's chronic diseases, higher type syndromes, autoimmune, anything within that area.

Linda Elsegood: and of course, it's rather like being Sherlock Holmes, isn't it? Is to try and find out what exactly is causing those symptoms rather than treating the symptoms. So if a patient comes to you with multiple complex conditions. What's the first thing you do. 

Harpal Bains: So at our clinic, basically the approach we have is very hormone and nutrition based and antioxidant based.

So the way I would do it versus some other practitioners who have a slightly different angle, I think I mentioned this the last time I spoke, is that the biggest, biggest thing I find with homework is the speed at which I get results.  In the same way, and one reason why I really love LDN is the endorphin rush.

The moment you start feeling better, you get an endorphin rush. The moment you get that endorphin, and the rest of these feel-good neurotransmitters and hormones within your body, you start to heal in ways which you could not really anticipate and a speed that you couldn't get doing it—using purely functional medicine.

This is my opinion. Of course, and when we put that together with things like nutritional interventions, once again, not outsourcing it, but at the same practitioner actually doing that, which means now this practitioner has to understand that side of things as well. Get rid of all the heavy metals, uh, the detox side of things.

We actually get quite a lot of results. And at that point, I find that it works for about 70 to 80% of my patients. And then I get the remaining, with the remaining. I'm a member of a BSCS, which is. British society of environmental medicine, that's sort of the next area start to look at. So that's when you start to look at things like mould, heavy metals, exhaust fumes and anything and everything, which could give rise to, basically, these environmental issues.

And they are quite frequently forgotten. Not many people think of them, but they're highly, highly relevant. However, the way I practice, I tend to leave that to the last, unless it's blindingly obvious that that's a problem. Someone who just moved to a new house and then finding they're facing all kinds of problems, it could be fumes from the carpets, let's say, or brand new furniture. Even the fire retardant material they use for furnishings that's an issue as well. Or in a really, or they move into a really old damp house and then the issue with mould and the rest of it, that's a huge area of study, which I would say maybe 20% there.

I've got a long way to go, but then, you know, if the issue is really that, and if I don't feel like I handle it there, there'll be other practitioners I can refer them on to. 

Linda Elsegood:  I interviewed Dr Tom O'Brien, who talks about all the effects of the toxins, not only that are in food, you know, in crops that are sprayed.

A piece of furniture, and as you said, that retardant material, but something he said, which struck me, that something that everybody can do very easily is when you're filling your car up with fuel, can you smell it? If you can smell it, move. Stand the other way so that the fumes don't blow in your face. And I thought I've never thought of that.

Harpal Bains: I've just thought, Oh, I smell this smell. They probably go closer.

I mean, that's a good thought. 

Linda Elsegood: Diet is important. I mean, there are so many children that you can just see that if they can, you know that they're overweight and they if they carry on eating as they are doing, you know they're going to be a type two diabetic before they need school. 

Harpal Bains: Yeah. 

Linda Elsegood: But how do you educate people when they come to see you, to recommend healthier eating and maybe supplements, because obviously you did blood tests and things and if you find that they are low in certain vitamins or minerals, how do you go about trying to educate them to change the way in which they're living? 

Harpal Bains: I give my patients a lot of homework. Most of them have to go home with homework. So it's one of those things, I think if they don't understand what they're doing, they can listen and do some things for maybe a month or two months, and then that's it.

They'll forget, and they won't do it. And then you lose the benefits of it. So until, and unless they understand why they're doing what they're doing, it's not really for compliance is really important here. So it’s a comprehensive consultation that works out to be two and a half hours in total of the doctor's time.

Initially, it's one and a half hours as a lot of teaching that goes on there as well. Some things are frankly, blindingly obvious to us, will immediately know what's going on in other people. It's a little bit hard because they're doing everything right and it's hard to tell where they’re going wrong, but on top of that, when they get their eventual report, that has dietary advice as well within the report, and we allow them time to read and digest it, and then they come back for their final half an hour with us. So it's, as I say, it's two and a half hours split into two sessions, really with the report sent to them in between so that they have time to read, absorb, come up with all the questions they want. We stayed then come back and see us. I really like doing it that way because, at the back of their heads, they are not having to keep paying up for every time they see us, which is not a nice thought, but it's all-encompassing. They come in once, and they know they're going to get this management further on moving forward.

Linda Elsegood: And I think engaging people into their own health, giving them responsibility, you can advise as much as you like, but if they don't take it on board, it's not going to work. Is it? So having them working with you, it's a partnership, 

Harpal Bains: Yeah. Not only that, I mean, another thing that we have recently introduced and we had going to develop further is something like a health coach, not quite the health coach, but something like that.  Someone who's actually going to pick up the phone and ask you after you've been with us for a month, how are things, because from experience, what I find is that if they come across problems, most of them just stop the medication, or they stop doing that certain thing and they forget.

And so by having someone there slightly nagging them, it's actually a really good thing. And at some point maybe in the next two or three years, I don't see it happening this year, is to come up with an app where with prompts and the rest of it. But I think that's another level up.

Linda Elsegood: We have an LDN app remember, that you can monitor patients and check and do graphs and charts and things. Perhaps you can have a look at that, 

Harpal Bains: which is on my to-do list, 

Linda Elsegood: which I'm sure is growing all the time. 

Harpal Bains: Yes. Oh, yes. So, but that's only, that's in the pipeline via creating software for the whole clinic, as we speak. So there's the number of changes, a lot of changes. A lot of the new premises is actually devoted to office space because we needed it.

Linda Elsegood: Whereabouts, are you located? 

Harpal Bains: The current clinic is in Margate, which is between Liverpool street and bank. And the new one is about two minutes walk from St Paul's Cathedral, its a stunning location, really nice. And the good thing about the new place is that we are building, uh, we have the disability access.

Linda Elsegood: Right Okay. 

Harpal Bains: So we have disabled access and the rest of it, which we can't have in our current premises. 

Linda Elsegood: Oh, I see. Okay. So both of them are accessible if people are coming into London by train.

Harpal Bains: Oh, yes. Very, very easily. Yeah. I mean, because St Paul's a tube station about a five-minute walk away. The cathedral's right there, you've got the river so you could make a whole day out of it. We have a lot of patients who come from either abroad or outside of the outside of London. I know you could make a whole day out of it. It's really beautiful. That area. 

Linda Elsegood: I'll have to come and check it out. Come and see you.

I don't go to London very often but there we are. But it's a beautiful place. And especially if you're outside of England and you haven't been before this, there's a lot to see.  

Harpal Bains: The architecture is stunning. 

Linda Elsegood: Yeah. 

Harpal Bains: It's really beautiful. Yeah. And so this is a pedestrian street as well, so there's, that's a lot of nice things about, it's one of those really, really nice streets.

Linda Elsegood: So we talked a little bit about diet and supplements. What about sleep? The people that have problems with sleep, I mean with all the iPads and smartphones and this kind of thing, if people are having difficulty sleeping, and especially children who are staying up later and later because they're being pinged by friends on all these different platforms that they use.

What is a recommended time to shut down before you go to bed, ready to go to sleep? 

Harpal Bains: I think in an ideal world, sort of like five, six o'clock, but you'll have a lot of people doing beyond that. I would say if you could do it or two hours before you're in a particular place. Ideally more, but I mean, most people did not really get an idea to it.

And on top of that, simple things like having the night mode on it. Uh, right. It's called an M flux wait, turns the screen yellow, so you don't have the blue light, which is the one that affects sleep so that's one thing you can do. There are also these glasses that you can wear, which cuts out those lights as well.

So there are quite a few things you can do to mitigate it, or despite the fact that they are still going to do a bit, children are going to be quite hard to make sure they actually listen to you. So these would be the things that you can do because you just put it into the computer and automatically switches into night mode and things like that would help. But sleep is a huge, huge problem. It's becoming increasingly big. It was actually on my list of things to do to work alongside a dentist who would be able to deal with the jaw to create these little, what do you call it? These things, which pulls the jaw forward and therefore it doesn't have the weight on your neck. You don't have sleep apnea. Oh, so yeah, it's absolutely brilliant. Once again, you have to go to the US to get trained. And initially, I was hoping that my new premise was there'll be enough of a space for a dentist, but I don't think that's going to be, but it's, it's within a few years I was thinking perhaps, you know, To do sleep studies and the rest of it because once again, what's in NHS, it's not quite, I don't really agree with the way they assess it. Like for them, if you're snoring a little bit, you have a mile, and therefore it's okay, and I don't, I disagree with that. I think any sleep apnea it's waking you up because your body can breathe and there are things that you can do, but it's not a very big area yet. Not in this country.

Linda Elsegood: I have a problem with my jaw. When I go to the dentist, open my mouth wider, it keeps dislocating. So it is so painful, opening the jaw. When they say open wide, then they're trying to get at the back, and it goes clunk, click and I grind my teeth, but I was, I bought a gum shield that I put in, but because I couldn't shut my jaw completely, that I think the thing I had at the dentist was just as bad. So I tried desperately hard not to wear it because it hurt too much and try not to grind your teeth. I mean, how do you know when you're, when you're asleep? 

Harpal Bains: I see patients like that all the time. Botox is one of the best things out there for it.

Linda Elsegood: Really, how does botox do that?

Harpal Bains: Absolutely brilliant. It relaxes the muscles. It relaxes the muscles that cause us grinding. I have patients coming in for like, in fact, wonderful that someone's face. I can usually tell if they're grinders, they have these huge hypertrophic muscles on the side of their face.

They have quite square faces because that muscle is taking out. In quite many. You find that after a series of Botox injections the shape of the face changes, it becomes more rounded, the grinding at night stops. Your headache stops. So many problems go away, and this is grinding down the enamel, which will cost you tons and tons of money further down the line.

Such an easy solution, such an easy solution. Basically, Botox, what a lot of people don't understand about Botox is a, I've got a blog on my website actually, on how to do Botox so that it's very effective. What you're basically trying to do is making the body lose its muscle memory. So I don't want my muscle to remember how to grind, so it lasts about three months, so I'm going to inject some into my jaw before all the action comes back before it comes out completely I want to go in and inject it again because after not doing it for, in my experience, 12 to 18 months of regularly doing the Botox. That's it. You don't remember to grind anymore just because you've forgotten how to do it, so if you want to grind, you can, but you just don't do it anymore. It's amazing. No headaches now, and you're going to save a lot of money long term because you don't, you won't have all the dental issues moving forward.

Teeth grinding. That's an easy one. Yeah, very easy. 

Linda Elsegood: I've never heard of that before. Do you inject similarly to a dentist if he was giving you a local anaesthetic, is that how it works? 

Harpal Bains: Oh, no, no. Much easier. Much easier. Just on the outside. Basically. The way I do it is I, Oh yeah. You don't have to go in at all.

Yeah. So on the outside, I will get the patient to clench and then I will draw it out because everyone's got different musculature. It's fascinating when you start having to draw, and then I will inject the Botox basically on your jaw. You're already on the outside, right below your ear around that area.

So, but I will draw it out, and I will actually inject it in the right areas. And um, yeah, if you go somewhat conservative, you get really good results, we'll still be able to eat and rest of it. It's brilliant. You, I'm not many dentists seem to know about it, but I get people coming back to me again and again and again for the same thing.

No headaches, no more grinding, nothing. They come to me for that. And the small number of people come because they want a slimmer face. And then that's fairly cultural but no, it's brilliant. Definitely consider it. I think your whole jaw is dislocating as well, it's probably due to you've got some muscles which are possibly stronger than other muscles. That's another thing you could consider. 

Linda Elsegood: All right. As soon as we're finished, I'm going to go and look in the mirror and see what shape my face is.  

Harpal Bains: basically put your hands underneath your ear and clench your jaw. You could probably feel the muscle clenching. Yeah, just it. And then have both hands on each side of your face just next to your ears, and you'll feel the muscles.

Yeah, and that's the one that we inject into.  It's easy. Go. Go on YouTube, look, look for videos on it. It's easy. I love doing it. It's such an easy procedure, and you get great results. 

Linda Elsegood: Well, I mean, I've seen some people have Botox and it looks really fake and really horrible and ends up with funny lips and things.

It doesn't have any. Adverse effects do, it doesn't change you in any way, 

Harpal Bains: This is the bit that’s really, really sad because once again, that's media. That's a media presenting Botox in such a terrible way. Do you know that? Uh, and this one that the documented evidence was out there, uh, for someone who does their frown lines, they actually become more pleasant, to be around because they cannot frown, therefore, the signals to the brain that tells them to frown and be angry. It is, does this look to them? I have because we do aesthetics as well, and I've got mothers coming to me saying that I know it’s wrong because my kids think I look angry on it. And it's pretty funny.

But if you think about how it came up, it was discovered by ophthalmologists because they used to treat ticking of the eyes and these patients that came back you know, telling the doctor that this is great. I don't have wrinkles on that side that you've been injecting, but how about the other side?

And that's how it was discovered. So it's used for things like anal fissures, a lot of urinary problems. It's useful—so many different things. But people just think of it. Migraines. Migraines is a big one. People think of it as this beauty thing, which, you know, everyone looks fake, but done properly it’s beautiful. And lots and lots of benefits, especially headaches, is a big one. And I am not looking angry. I'm telling you, that goes every aspect of your life. 

Linda Elsegood: And I suppose you would need an experienced doctor to do the procedures. 

Harpal Bains: In an ideal world, I mean, there are a lot of very good nurses out there as well, while very experienced, definitely do not go to any beauty therapist who claims that they do it.

Not at all. Then quite a few dentists have started doing it as well and it's one of those things. It really is. You know, down to the practitioner, but a good practitioner will do a really nice job and you quite frequently, you can't even tell someone has had it done, and that look is getting more and more popular. Really. People don't like that overdone, that's fake. Yeah. Not many people like that, but that's what's portrayed in the media. There'll be so many people who would have had it, and you wouldn't even know. And once again, that's endorphins. That's like LDN. You like what you see in the mirror. You're going to be a happy person. That's endorphins. 

Linda Elsegood: Well, we have five minutes left, so if you could tell us what your views are on LDN. 

Harpal Bains: It's one of the most mind-blowing things I've come across. It's like I'm trying to get everyone on it. It's wonderful. My own immunity has gone up tremendously.

It's like the amount of stress I've had at the moment is severe with two renovation projects going for the past few months. New staff, lots of rents to pay. No, I haven't fallen sick. Really so something else. And all my patients tell me the same thing. And the biggest, biggest part is the small things disappear.

And this is where I, this is why LDN will never be that well studied because everyone will come back and tell me something different that's now gone away that they've completely forgotten about. But I've reminded them because it's in my notes. It's all about the small things, and therefore that really adds quality to life. It’s wonderful. 

Linda Elsegood: And if you can hold a progressive disease, you know, even if it doesn't help with the symptom relief, which it seems to do for many people, but even if it just halted progression, how amazing is that you know? 

Harpal Bains: And the pain. Mm. 

Linda Elsegood: Yeah. So if people come to you, they can expect to be told about LDN and diets and supplements and if they grind their teeth, 

Harpal Bains: I do recommend, yeah, I do recommend Botox cause I'm telling you, it's so good for that problem. It's amazing. They keep coming back again and again and yet I'm telling them 12  to 18 months, the moment your body forgets that action. You're good. After that, you probably need just a top-up once or twice a year after that, and that's about it. It's well worth the money, I would say because if you think of it as saving against future dental work, that's not worth it.

Linda Elsegood: No, that's right. But this gum tooth guard or whatever they called, it was really, really expensive. It wasn't cheap, and I couldn't use it. So it sits in a drawer. 

Harpal Bains: Okay. Well, there you go, you’ll have to research it. You'll love it. 

Linda Elsegood: Well, thank you very much for having been on the show today, talking to us about just about everything.

Harpal Bains: Thank you for inviting me. 

Linda Elsegood: Well, we hope that people come along and see you and your website. Where would they find your details? 

Harpal Bains: It's  https://www.harpalclinic.co.uk/

Linda Elsegood: wonderful. And a question we're always asked is, do you have a waiting list? 

Harpal Bains: I personally do. My brothers is shorter.

I'm hoping to bring that number down, and we are also hoping to maybe get another doctor in as well at some point. 

Linda Elsegood: Wonderful. Well, we wish you every success with your, your new premises and your renovations on your existing one. So if anybody is in a wheelchair, they need to go to St Paul’s clinic? 

Harpal Bains: Yeah, most likely we will have that as the main centre because that's where all the buzz will be. 

Linda Elsegood: Okay. Yeah. Well, thank you very much.

Harpal Bains: Thank you.

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